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Ukraine also drone striked Chechenya lately, i bet this will really discourage Chechens who were per capita most numerous volunteers to that war.

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Ukraine also drone striked Chechenya lately

Not really sure of the politics here but it seems they did this trying to play off the fact that Russia has been trying to subjugate Chechnya for the past century, and the current Chechen head Ramzan Kadyrov is a pro-Putin puppet that some Chechens hate. Therefore, by striking a “special forces training center” run by Kadyrov, I’d imagine they’d want to signal support to his detractors and encourage them to continue volunteering in Ukraine to fight against Russia.

Despite this it was indeed a very stupid move because now anyone who is patriotic and doesn’t hate Kadyrov would be fucking pissed at this long range attack on their homeland and will probably enlist at greater numbers (the “special forces training center” apparently provided civilians with military skills too).

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Given the context you mention, could you explain why so many Chechens volunteered in the first place? Was it poverty?

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It is as if your only source on Chechenya was a wiki article about it. How nice of you to call unprecedented era of people and advancement during USSR as part of “Russian Subjugation”. Origins of “independent” Chechenya is a coup against its pro-soviet leadership (Checheno-Ingush ASSR under their leader Doku Zavgayev supported the opposition against Yeltsin and the illegal dissolution of USSR). Coup was armed and violent, with murders of communists. New regime was also dumb as hell and do stupid things just for the sake of hating Russia (like adopting latin alphabet). It also wasn’t popular, Ingushetia seceded from them and joined the RF, there were also many attempts to depose them, including from their own parliment (govt was in reality just a prowestern military clique). I wouldn’t be surprised at all if US immediately started their good old “muslim extremist terrorism” routine (also how many of Chechens later surfaced as members of various pro-US terrorist groups), help by the incredibly indolent actions of Yeltsin, like assassination fo Dudayev which paved the way for really evil fuckers to take the power there.

Even if you look at the history of last century there, Chechens were always divided people. October Revolution, WW2, destruction of USSR, Chechen Wars, current war. And sure as hell the current state of Chechenya is far removed from the worst possible option. Calling Kadyrov “pro-Putin puppet that some Chechens hate” also seems straight up from stormfrontpedia, guy is way more legal than any Chechen leader since Zavgayev and also seems to have more public support than any of them.

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It is as if your only source on Chechenya was a wiki article about it.

Well I’m sorry ngl admittedly I read two books about it and I would be happy to learn more about the truth.

The first was that soy book written by some condescending brit that inspired the first dune book (sabers of paradise), about how the russian empire fought a 30 year colonial war to conquer chechnya so they could have ez access to some trade routes/resources. The second was a russian soldier’s (arkady babchenko) account of his nightmarish experiences during the 1st and 2nd wars that russia launched to retake chechnya. This is what informed my opinion of the relationship between imperial/modern russia and chechnya being one of attempted subjugation, although it is true that chechnya must have willingly joined the ussr so this is an overall incorrect description.

Calling Kadyrov “pro-Putin puppet that some Chechens hate” also seems straight up from stormfrontpedia

Well that checks out because I got this from NPC consooooming some random video on youtube (in english ofc) from a western news channel one day about how the kremlin “installed the kadyrovs as puppets” (come to think of it they had no source for this and interviewed nobody from chechnya) after russia won the 2nd war. There was also another random soy video on youtube by cnn about how there are anti-kadyrov chechen volunteers who fight on the side of ukraine. Putting the two and two together I got an image of kadyrov as a proxy leader who doesn’t have 100% of his citizens behind him.

So could I please know the non-propaganda QRD of the situation? From what I gather already:

There was an anticommunist secessionist coup in chechnya as soon as the USSR dissolved.

The people who did the coup took power, people didn’t like them, RF wanted to smash them.

1st chechen war against the government, russia makes tactical blunders and loses.

2nd chechen war, russia wins, the unpopular guys who did the coup were kicked out.

Kadyrov Sr. appointed as leader by the people.

Also what were the reasons behind the 1st coup?

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