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Did I ever say 5%? In Belgium it turns out it’s 13% of your paycheck flat payment and then it’s free. Sounds like a massive, massive win. We should do like them for healthcare.

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iii@mander.xyz

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11 days ago

Sounds like a massive, massive win. We should do like them for healthcare.

Sure, do so!

I live in Belgium. A copy-paste of that system would also increase costs for employing people and lower wages. As I tried to explain.

Did I ever say 5%?

Well, let’s again look at how this conversation started. Look at the posted image. That was the statement I was referring to when saying 5% is unrealistic. A fabrication or lie.

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davidagain@lemmy.world

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11 days ago

But your idea that companies pay people more when they pay less taxes is hopelessly naive. If you cut employer contributions in Belgium, the people who would get the spare money would be the shareholders and the ceos.

Famously McDonald’s and the pile pay their employees far, far less in America than in Scandinavia, but the burgers are very very similar in price.

If you reduce costs for employers, wages do not go up. There is zero wage inflationary pressure from increased profits. How can you not know this?

You foolishly seem to believe that wages are held down by taxes! No! Wages are held down by ceos and shareholders!

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iii@mander.xyz

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11 days ago

But your idea that companies pay people more when they pay less taxes is hopelessly naive.

I understand you feel this way.

Yet I experienced this first hand. In this comment section there was the example of a company car. As in: I was offered a company car (employer pays). I’d rather have the cash. I refused the car, got the cash. This really happens. Not every employer is evil corp.

They look at the budget: we want to spend X on this employee. If we have to spend 27% on employees RSZ, then (1-.27) remains for gross wages.

We have different employment experiences. I changed my situation by switching employers to a place I like. You’re trying to change your situation by loudly shouting on social media in the hopes of political change?

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davidagain@lemmy.world

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11 days ago

I didn’t think I was shouting loudly at all. I’m no more shouting about socialised healthcare than you’re shouting about low taxes.

They look at the budget: we want to spend X on this employee.

Lol. That is not how budget meetings work. That isn’t even how salary negotiations work.

You persist in believing that if costs reduce, wages rise, but this is not how businesses operate. When costs decrease, profits rise, executive bonuses rise, but it’s really rare that employee pay rises as a result, and as I keep telling you, it’s hopelessly naive to think that a massive tax cut for businesses would result in a massive pay rise for employees.

On the other hand, socialised healthcare is about half the cost as privatised healthcare is in the USA. You save on your taxes, but then you pay twice as much to health insurance companies who then refuse to treat you anyway. It’s really, really, really bad value for money and horrendously expensive.

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