Comment by TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world on The gender wars continue 🥹

This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.

I can see why some young men might feel like the Democratic party is prioritizing women’s issues over those affecting men, especially young men. In fact, it might seem like the Democratic party is not only indifferent to struggling young men, but hostile to them. I can understand why someone might not want to vote for a party that thinks of them as deplorable, pathetic losers.

Issues affecting young women:

Rapes aren’t prosecuted
Government forced births
Bleeding out in a parking lot
Widespread misogyny

Issues affecting young men:

Girls won’t put out
There aren’t enough pickup trucks
Joe Rogan is being victimized by jews
Germ theory and masks or something

How exactly can a political party address what is for men essentially a collection of toxic culture issues?

Imagine if you reversed the roles there and said something like issues facing women: handbag not sparkly enough or some shit

There are real issues for both men and women. The fact people think otherwise is part is the root of the problem

But I would be lying.

Look, name an issue that exclusively affects men, and I’ll amend my list. So far, no one has come up with anything.

“Rapes aren’t prosecuted” doesn’t exclusively effect women by any means. Also, men can get pregnant. Trans men are men.

I understand the point you’re making and I generally agree, but to suggest there are not issues that affect young men much more than young women that seriously need fixing is silly.

The insane drug war affects men far, far more than women.

And you’ll also notice that, aside from Breyonna Taylor who cops didn’t even know was there, virtually every major case involving police extrajudicial murder was of a black man.

“The drug war” is not a male-exclusive problem. That would be like saying that because men are responsible for perpetrating 99% of violent crime, violence is an exclusively male problem. Notice I didn’t say that.

Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems? Are you quite sure this is something your fellow men feel strongly about? Don’t be dishonest, please.

Tell me you didn’t even look at the image without telling me you didn’t look at the image.

And you also don’t seem to think men can be raped since you think it’s only rapes of women that don’t get prosecuted.

Also, are you sure you want me to add “trans male pregnancy” to the list of male problems?

I was pointing out the flaw in you claiming these were only problems that involve women. That is only true for most of them if you do not think trans men are men. Are trans men actually men?

Mental health issues being ignored by their peers and society as a whole is a pretty big one

You could claim women have mental health problems too and they do but they have spaces to talk about that

So your claim is that “mental health issues” are an exclusively male problem? Because again, the problems I listed for women affect them exclusively.

So do you see what the problem is here?

EDIT: people that downvote this benign comment are proving me right. Braindead.

You ignored part of my message, I said the problem was that men’s mental health problems are largely ignored, not that women don’t have mental health problems

This is the exact kind of attitude they meant

I think many men, whether they realize it or not, feel specifically persecuted by trans rights. They might say that allowing trans women in women’s sports is cheating and that it would allow the trans women to be successful in the sport over less merit than they as cis males would have to. The deconstruction of the gender/sex binary also threatens cis males’ historic position as self-assigned protectors, leaders, and winners of the “weaker sex”. There is also the phobia among men of discovering that the woman whom they want to romance is trans, which really comes down to masculine fragility and conformity that leads to homophobia (in the sense of XY + XY, not gender) and transphobia. As a cis male, these men need to get over themselves.

Many men also believe that gun control is a threat to them. They need these guns in case a fascist power ever seizes the government and they need to fight back, so they are actively voting for the fascist powers to seize the government so that they can keep their guns.

There are also men who hold prejudice against any religion except Christianity so leftwing inclusivity efforts and anti-prejudice efforts come across as welcoming these perceived threats. These men aren’t simply just the redneck Bible thumpers or even devout or practicing Christians, but they just see the most common belief system around them as the default.

It’s not that these issues are a threat to men, but that they perceive them as threats.

Talk about diving people, what a prime example. What would you say if I name fashion as one of the primary female problems? Or having good pictures on Instagram?

Issues affecting young men:

Rape reports are ignored and not taken seriously
Not trained in the tools to deal with mental health and emotions
High expectation to make money but low job prospects
Jerks trivializing the fact that men have real concerns because OtHeRs HaVe It WoRsE.

It should be empathy for all. Asshat.

I agree, but you forgot the biggest one

No more third places

Empathy isn’t a zero sum game. It is, in fact, possible to care about women’s issues and men’s issues at the same time. A woman getting the support they need doesn’t take anything away from a man, nor does a man getting the support they need take anything away from a woman.

And yet these “all ____ matter” comments only come up when someone tries to take the spotlight away from white men. Women getting the support they need has been fought tooth and nail by men for fucking ages. The group that only just got the ability to have their own bank account doesn’t owe us fuck all in politeness especially when so many of us act like goddamn degenerates all the fucking time. They still struggle to even get healthcare that isn’t designed for men.

What you’ve got in your comment is a deflection away from the real use of these things. It’s not clever, you’re just being an ass.

The original topic was about the radicalisation of men. One poster commented how it might feel that the democratic party doesn’t care about men’s issues. Another replied and tried to trivialize those issues. So some users advocate for empathy. And you reply with “but what about women?” Do women face issues? Absolutely. Arguably more than men, I don’t know. But that’s beside the point here. The topic was radicalisation of men, and a possible cause. I would argue, you’re acting like an ass right now.

I don’t know the solution, but I do know that self-hatred isn’t it.

People face a myriad of assaults on their mental health every day. Virtue signaling and choosing to leave any subgroup behind just because you think someone else has it worse won’t lead to the outcome you hope it will.

Men aren’t being left behind, they’re just a bunch of fucking babies about maybe actually having to police their own behaviour. Women have been carrying the mental load for generations and now that we’re being asked to carry our fair share we do this shit.

You’re not being left behind, you’re just being a asshole.

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Also, I’m a tall straight white male. Blond hair and blue eyes and everything. I don’t feel the least bit left behind. I feel embarrassed that I may have acted a certain way in the past, and it’s hard to overcome habits and normalized shitty behaviours. Instead of running from it and blaming everyone else for pointing out how my behaviour might have hurt someone I’m dealing with it and trying to be better.

I don’t give a fuck who you are. I didn’t ask, and it’s not relevant. And whatever you’re doing smacks more of “look how much better I am than you” than “I’m truly trying to be a better person.”

Empathy makes you better, not self-hate and virtue signaling. People need help. All of them.

Your list is the issues that men are actually facing, but what OP posted is what the clout chasing “alpha influencers” tout as “men’s actual problems”.

For everyone’s sake, we need to start reclaiming men’s spaces from these Andrew Taint-wannabe’s, and towards people like you. They don’t care about anything but their bank accounts.

Influencers are the tail that thinks they’re wagging the dog. When they aren’t shilling garbage products and cryptoscams they’re spending all their time trying to find the next trend to chase. Besides the shilling, at their worst they’re merely a sounding board for ideas and issues that are already out there (and have been for a long time).

The biggest mistake the Democrat campaign made was to ignore the plight of working class, non-college educated people. To a group that’s been reeling from inflation and the major setback of COVID lockdowns, the Democrats promised more of the same. That’s not good enough! What good is student loan forgiveness to people who never went to college?

That’s been the problem for the Democrats for decades now. A party that used to call labour unions its base now focuses pretty much exclusively on college-educated middle class and up.

I just had a look at the exit polls. Of the people who said the economy was the most important use, 79% voted for Trump. Of those who think the US’s economy is doing not so good/poor (67% of voters), 69% voted for Trump.

I know lots of people here will sneer at that and Trump seems pretty unlikely to right the ship but he actually promised change whereas the Democrats did not. Promising to keep things the same when 2/3 of voters believe the economy is poor is not going to get the job done.

Yeah, and people seem to forget a key question these days: “what middle class?”

I don’t disagree with your issues facing women. But your issues young men face is very disingenuous

Its disingenuous to the actual issues facing young men, but right on point for how people seem to see mens issues. It is in fact a perfect example of why men might just feel put upon by the left.

Nowhere in this thread has anyone discussed issues that exclusively affect men. There are very few such issues and all of them are trivial.

Don’t forget them just being mad at the concept of child support

Oh yeah, good point.

Is there a visual representation of 3. being nailed to a cross for dramatization purposes?

It’s not so much a crucifix but a lowercase letter T for his low-testosterone he’s so obsessed with

How exactly can a political party address what is for men essentially a collection of toxic culture issues?

I don’t necessarily know, and neither does the Democratic party, which is at least part of the reason why Trump just got reelected.

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