Comment by Lilli@lemmy.blahaj.zone on Admin update

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Edit - Hexbear announced plans to deferedate from us.

~~After recent events, it feels to me that sentiment has shifted and more people are asking for defederation of hexbear than previously~~

I’ve been doing my best to try and mend bridges and keep us connected, as it’s my hope that we can maintain trans solidarity and work with them, despite the friction, however, ultimately, I feel that this is an issue for the blahaj lemmy community to decide, not the admins alone

~~So here’s what we’re going to do~~

We’re going to leave things as they are for a week. That will give time for things to calm down whilst we see if we can work together. After a week, I’ll put up a vote and get a feel for where the community is at in regards to our continued federation with hexbear. That poll will run for a week. If there is a strong will to defederate (a clear majority), then that’s what we will do

A post here calling to block them ended up on their All feed, and it still didn’t get that bad.

It really did. I was the target of a lot of it, and I had to moderate the rest of it.

It also didn’t end up in their “all” feed as such. It was posted in their “dunk on a lib” community, and that made it to their all page. And then a great many of them jumped on over here and trolled.

Their admins stepped in and clarified things to ensure it won’t happen again, but before things calmed down, it was pretty bad.

I have hope that we can make things work going forward, but the stuff that happened before was absolutely not sustainable.

Does the fact that they have a community dedicated to organizing dogpiling and brigading not bother you?

Does it only bother you that they used it on you?

I don’t mind that they have a community to highlight what they consider to be “bad takes”. Hell, we have communities like that here, like “Are The Straights OK?” and “Bad Women’s Anatomy” etc.

The issue is when it crosses the line and becomes a source of harassment. I am hoping that the latter has been resolved, but we will see

Both the communities you list have rules about being civil/not brigading.

“The dunk tank” rules explicitly say you need to link to source and the point of the community is “This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.”

I’d say that’s a pretty big difference in purpose of the community.

Screenshot of their rules, with modlist cropped off.

The thing you just quoted was written years before Hexbear federated. It is absolutely not an indication that the community is for “brigading” other instances.

Then the rules need to be revised to make that clear. It certainly encouraged brigade behavior, whether that was intended by the community moderators or not

Your link there posted as spoiler, not sure if you intended that or not

It’s a direct image in the comment, I put it in a spoiler once I realized how big the image is.

I didn’t want to link to the page directly because I didn’t want unnecessary traffic flooding their site.

It should open with a simple click/tap though.

The admin on Hexbear added this rule in their recent update post:

Do not directly link to comments or posts of other federated instances on public posts with intent to goad or mock.

I think this covers it well.

I don’t think they mean it like it’s written but I could be wrong here.

And if you’re curious the uncensored name is the name of one of their admins.

Edit: And the comment from said admin is still up, with higher up votes than when I screenshot it last night.

The the whole “dunk on a lib” community should be banned, right?

Why are you asking me?

Also, you’re the person that started this whole mess by comparing a bunch of leftist queer people to T_D. I think that’s an incredibly inflammatory thing to have said, and I’m not surprised their users felt they needed to defend themselves. That doesn’t excuse the worst of what was posted. But I saw a lot of top-level comments from trans users defending the space in a reasonable way.

As for that community, as long as they aren’t linking to posts then what right do you or I have to decide if it should exist? If they want to post screenshots with names censored and have their discussion on their instance, I don’t see any issues with that.

I will admit that it was poorly written, but if you read what I said it was that the VIBE was like T_D. And I stand by that. They’re intentionally inflammatory vibes based politics. And I love that for them, but I don’t want any community that celebrates “dunking” on anyone around me. I highly tailored my Reddit use specifically to avoid assholes like that because it makes for discourse shitty.

From our perspective, your instance has plenty of leftists who could also appreciate that slop like we do.

they have a community dedicated to organizing dogpiling and brigading

We absolutely do not lol

The dunk tank community is pretty damn close to that. Even if that’s not the primary purpose it certainly caused hexbear users to dogpile on the first post and to attack Ada.

I think having the rule about top-level comments on defed posts being from Blahaj members only has helped a lot. What would you think about making it a permanent rule in the sidebar of this community?

Also, I was wondering if it might be worthwhile finding a trusted community member or two to add as moderators to this community. That way it wouldn’t just be you and supakaity having to remove those comments. That way y’all could focus more on the decision-making aspect of a potential defed, as well as more pressing server admin tasks.

Edit: I was going to add, my reasoning for these two things is that these questions around defederation are only going to become more frequent as Lemmy grows, especially here on Blahaj where we have a higher standard than most instances do.

I think both of those ideas are good ones. I’ll make it a project for this weekend.

@blahaj@lemmy.blahaj.zone automoderator when tho?

(dw I know there’s not one that’s ready for production. hopefully soon 🤞)

They also had posts on their instance directing people to our meta post. If you look at that thread, it’s mostly hexbear users now

That post was deleted by their admin and their admin said to leave it alone, which it seems they did after being told to. Seems worth mentioning.

Yea, but that shouldn’t have to be said. Like it seems like basic courtesy to me.

Maybe, but it’s kind of been the norm every time someone has brought up defederating an instance, because it naturally makes people upset and defensive, since it’s kind of a bigger deal than blocking a community you don’t like in All.

I’d expect it next time too, until Lemmy allows local-only threads. Maybe it’s better to expect human reactions to inflammatory topics.

Hey, that was me, and I fucked up. That was not a brigading post. That was me wanting to talk about what people were saying about us on our instance. We just have a rule to link to the source and I did that without thinking about the implications. I understand that makes me short-sited, I understand it makes me dumb. I do feel bad about what it caused and I did apologize.

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