Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.
Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170
Being an ancap doesn’t count. That’s not a real ideology.
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There’s text and then there’s subtext. You want access to a private space that can serve as a platform for you to voice your opinions
Dude where did I even say I want access to beehaw? You are completely full of shit. Subtext in this instance is just you making things up.
It’s not bullshit, though, because that’s the underlying premise of an authoritarian regime
In your mind yes, we’ve established your narrow view. In reality, no.
You don’t have some inalienable right to access EVERY single space that exists in the physical or virtual world.
Dude, drop the damn strawman arguments. I can judge beehaw without demanding access to it, which is exactly what I’ve done.
Stormfront is a famous one. Places like this are ran by people who hold beliefs that I find absolutely despicable, and I’m sure they would actively ban anyone who was LGBT, leftist, anti-racist, etc.,
And you wouldn’t see this as authoritatianism? Like you are so dense you’re unable to see distinction between communities?
In other words, banning someone from a hospital or from employment on the basis of their identity is a material detriment to the collective public good.
… I’m not a collectivist.
So just to be clear, you don’t believe in civil rights on an individual level? You see civil rights as contingent on government funding, and social norms? I see civil rights an an extension of personal autonomy.
So what about pre-civil war when legally blacks weren’t seen as people by law or social norms?
What happens when say… Abortions are determined to be against the collective good by a population? Body rights just stop being a thing?
Anyways I specifically talking about hypotheticals. Government funding and social norms aren’t relevant to whether you’d personally be okay with McDonald’s discriminating against gays, and whether you could understand that to be authoritarian. To make this easier we can pretend it’s a small business under 15 employees with no government funding.
where did I even say I want access to beehaw?
If you don’t want access to Beehaw and don’t think you’re entitled to it, then you must be admitting that you think it was totally okay for them to ban you, then.
In reality, no.
This is just pure contradiction. You’re not even trying to make an argument anymore.
I can judge beehaw without demanding access to it, which is exactly what I’ve done.
So you agree that you have no right to any kind of access to that website and that your complaints are purely superficial? Great, that’s progress.
So just to be clear, you don’t believe in civil rights on an individual level? You see civil rights as contingent on government funding, and social norms? I see civil rights an an extension of personal autonomy.
I can guarantee I privately believe in civil rights as an ideal more than you do. That includes the rights of the owners and administrators of a website like Beehaw to dictate admission and participation guidelines for their private website. I believe in freedom of association, and you don’t. We’ve already established that much.
I specifically talking about hypotheticals.
You specifically talk in whataboutisms. They’re hypotheticals that are irrelevant to the discussion because we’re talking about a privately held website, not labor, not healthcare, and not commerce, and we’re talking about instances of behavior being policed, not discrimination on the basis of identity. These are fundamentally different things which you merely perceive, wrongly, to be equivalent. Someone banning you for expressing a horrible opinion is not the same thing as someone refusing to provide you with medical care on the basis of being gay. In spite of what you seem to believe, you are not being persecuted for your beliefs. You have merely experienced the “find out” part of “fucking around.” These are, once again, different things.
In fact, let’s examine what happened: you went on Beehaw and the first comment you made was, essentially, “wow, fuck Beehaw, this place sucks lol, I don’t want to EVER see any content from this instance - this place is a stupid fucking echo chamber” and the second one is “I want to be able to talk about how gay people are grooming kids on this website that very explicitly bills itself as a safe space for LGBT persons and other minority groups” and then a mod did you a favor and banned you before you had the opportunity to embarrass yourself further. Seriously, I really don’t understand why you’re upset that you told the moderators you didn’t want anything to do with their website and then they did you the favor of keeping you from ever accidentally posting something there ever again. You very literally did everything in your power to get banned short of explicitly requesting one in writing. And as the first mod that replied to you in your first comment told you, “you don’t have to come here if you don’t want to.” Maybe you should have, I dunno…listened to them?
Duuude… That’s all completely irrelevant to beehaw being authoritarian. Beehaw being privately operated isn’t a defence from criticism. Not at all. You refuse to accept that, you want to keep relying on a subjective perspective for whatever reason, have at it, you being wrong isn’t my problem. I’m done trying to help you understand.
And the second one is “I want to be able to talk about how gay people are grooming kids on this website that very explicitly bills itself as a safe space for LGBT persons and other minority groups”
Wait what lmao?! I 100% never said anything about “gay people grooming kids on this website” I dated a crazy controlling person that wanted their daughter to be queer. How you morphed that into the above is… Special. It’s interesting how you let bias manipulate everything you say. Even when trying to tell me about my own posts 😂
I personally think that story is a great litmus test by the way 😆 Not that you’ll give me credit!
And yeah… The fact that I’m RIGHT THERE asking how to remove beehaw from my feed shows how full of shit your claims are about me wanting to force myself on beehaw. So much for subtext!
This has been fun for me! Thank you for teaching me a bit about collectivist perspectives.
Beehaw being privately operated isn’t a defence from criticism. Not at all.
Except, it is. In order to be authoritarian you have to have authority over someone else. A parent or guardian can be authoritarian. A government can be authoritarian. An employer can be authoritarian. Beehaw can’t really be authoritarian towards you because it can’t really compel you to do or behave a certain way. It can ban you for violating the rules, but that’s it. But that’s the only thing it can do and you have the choice of just not participating there. It’s no more authoritarian than getting ejected and banned from a store for trying to shoplift. Nor is it any more authoritarian than getting banned from a library if you try setting the books in it on fire. Or do you genuinely believe that you should be able to act however you want anywhere you want without consequence?
I 100% never said anything about “gay people grooming kids on this website"
You wanted to talk about gay people grooming kids, and you wanted to do it on Beehaw. Learn to read. I beg you.
I dated a crazy controlling person that wanted their daughter to be queer.
I believe no part of this happened, including you ever dating anyone.
The fact that I’m RIGHT THERE asking how to remove beehaw from my feed shows how full of shit your claims are about me wanting to force myself on beehaw.
And the fact that you practically beg for a ban, get it, and then complain about Beehaw’s moderators being authoritarian shows how full of shit you are. You wanted to get banned so you could play the victim. You honestly just come across as painfully entitled.
This has been fun for me! Thank you for teaching me a bit about collectivist perspectives.
You’re welcome. I can recommend some books if you want a deeper dive. Books are things made out of pieces of paper that have words written on them, by the way.
