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I did, but you just keep ignoring it. However, since you keep insisting I’ll link some more as was widely reported by western media. The fact that you keep pretending they don’t exist shows that you’re a liar.

And of course, then there are nazis running rampant in Ukraine including the highest levels of government

Any non-russian sources for that claim?

Plenty, even Nuland has admitted this just recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc

Ukrainian negotiators confirmed it https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms

Arestovich confirmed it it https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1975okx/ua_pov_arestovich_in_english_says_he_and_the_rest/

A member of the negotiating team confirming this https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/24/7430282/

The fact that you don’t know this shows what an utter ignoramus you are. I guess one has to be to ally himself with fascists.

And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.

Both my parents were born in Ukraine you sad troll, I think I understand Slavic mentality perfectly well. Something ignorant nazi boot lickers such as yourself will never understand.

Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades.

There won’t be any guerrilla war for decades because all the fascists you love so much have gone to die on the front already or fled the country. At this point the fascist regime you support is reduced to kidnapping people off the street and gang pressing them to fight.

Finally, let me educate you a bit on Ukraine since you’re utterly clueless about it. It was cobbled together by USSR and eastern parts of Ukraine were part of Russia, and are inhabited by Russian speaking people who see themselves as Russian. Again, don’t take my word for it. We can take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here’s how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations. Most people outside western parts of Ukraine never wanted this war, and they just want the war to end. The way this all ends is that everything except the nationalist rump state will be absorbed into Russia and then Europe will be left to deal with the remaining far right nationalist who will feel betrayed by you lot, and who have been making contacts with fascists all across Europe this whole time, sending them all the weapons that disappeared. Enjoy what’s coming to you.

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None of this justfies invading another country, unless you want to justify invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.

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You don’t have to justify all invasions to justify some invasions?

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If someones argument justifies pretty much any invasion, including some of the most egregious and vile wars in history there might be something wrong with the argument, or holding such an opinion.

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Talking about justifying things is just a way to do moralizing. The way to avoid conflicts is by developing understanding for the interests and concerns of different nations, and treating one another with respect. After the fall of USSR, the west decided that it can ignore Russia’s security concerns and keep pushing an aggressive military alliance onto Russian borders. That’s what caused the war.

Plenty of western experts have been warning about this for decades on end. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here’s what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

50 prominent foreign policy experts (former senators, military officers, diplomats, etc.) sent an open letter to Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion back in 1997:

George Kennan, arguably America’s greatest ever foreign policy strategist, the architect of the U.S. cold war strategy warned that NATO expansion was a “tragic mistake” that ought to ultimately provoke a “bad reaction from Russia” back in 1998.

Jack F. Matlock Jr., US Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987-1991, warning in 1997 that NATO expansion was “the most profound strategic blunder, [encouraging] a chain of events that could produce the most serious security threat […] since the Soviet Union collapsed”


Even Gorbachev warned about this. All these experts were marginalized, silenced, and ignored. Yet, now people are trying to rewrite history and pretend that Russia attacked Ukraine out of the blue and completely unprovoked.

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Ok, so how come Finland in NATO is not a problem?

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