The French government is considering a law that would require web browsers – like Mozilla’s Firefox – to block websites chosen by the government.

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Firefox being free software, it wouldn’t make much sense for them to try and do something like this. So obviously we know that Mozilla would never go along with such an absurd law and start doing censorship on behalf of France. … right, Mozilla? Slightly strange that you didn’t say so?

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True… How would governments enforce dumb laws like that on open source software anyway?

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They could still charge the leadership, fine them, and cause life to be a bit more difficult. Even if I don’t live in a country, I wouldn’t want that hanging over my head.

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It’s hard not living in a country

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Firefox is open source but it’s controlled by the Mozilla Foundation.

The steps would be

  1. Pass the law
  2. Tell Mozilla they’re breaking the law
  3. Do things to them as they’re breaking the law

It could be fines, it could be banning firefox in France. The good/bad roles are flipped, but anything anyone has tried to do to meta can be done to Mozilla, too. The only alternative Mozilla would have would be purposefully pulling Firefox from France.

Ultimately, Mozilla would have a vote of some kind, deciding to capitulate or pull firefox (or just keep paying fees, potentially, but they’re not made of money).

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What stops them from putting a blanket statement on their website stating “this software does not adhere to specific internet laws in france and therefor we do not support the use of firefox as a browser within french borders. French people can still download firefox to study the software and use it for local/offline purposes.

Firefox isn’t quite the same as facebook in that its a piece of downloadable software instead of a service website. You don’t need an account. A foreigner can travel while having firefox as the only browser on their laptop and people can still share the program between eachother.

France might create requirements for their isps to not service not adhering browsers but in any way mozzila can keep their hands clean.

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The software can be open source, the product is branded and published.

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I guess it cannot be completely enforced. What they can do, however, is to say that Firefox is illegal in France unless it complies with their unjust laws.

Mozilla could either choose to comply and release a French version of Firefox with government mandated fixes, or decide not to comply and probably block firefox.com from being accessible from France. This would make it harder for French users to find an alternative browser, making even more people will stick to the pre-installed Chromium based one.

In general it’s just not a good thing when open source software becomes illegal, no matter how hard the laws might be to implement.

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This would make it harder for French users to find an alternative browser, making even more people will stick to the pre-installed Chromium based one.

Sad as it is, I think this is the optimal solution when it goes through. A lot of EU countries are against monopolies (France is not an exception), this way they would realize they are enforcing a monopoly and singular dependency.

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Why would it be mozzilas responsibility to make their website unaccesible in france rather then that being the responsibility of french isp?

If north Korea puts up an obscure law that says all sites are banned from using english does that give them grounds to sue any sites that didn’t think of blocking them specifically?

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I hope that it would only be the “Frensh Version” of Firefox that implements this and that at least everone outside of France would get a version without this crap. This would then of course, be available to Frensh people to. Hopefully crap laws like this get stoped… lets see

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It would work for 95% of browser users, who will not know that they can use a fork of Firefox because they have no idea what that means.

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