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For an united states sort of setup having one level of government representing the states particularly makes sense to me. EU has a similar setup (but much more complicated) and a suggestion that it’d just be based on popular vote would cause a civil war.

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The EU has a representative setup, which is democratic. Nothing like the US Senate, which is designed to rob people of representation.

Again, governments justify their existence by serving people, full stop, not arbitrary land masses. What’s next, a tertiary chamber of Congress for corporations?

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The EU has a representative setup, which is democratic. It is nothing like the US Senate, which was created specifically to undermine democracy.

I’m just saying Council of the European Union and European Council vs. European Parliament is same sort of separation between “popular vote” and member state governments and the reasoning is similar. There’s been a lot of discussion about how singular states can stop the will of the rest of the EU and so on. Taking away that veto is a real hot button issue.

Again, governments justify their existence by representing people, full stop, not arbitrary land masses.

Ostensibly the states should represent people, that is specifically their state’s people. Whereas congress and president should be more about the whole federation, as I’ve understood it. How well that works, well, that’s another matter.

What’s next, a tertiary chamber in Congress for corporations?

Ireland has something a bit like that:

"Most members of the Seanad Éireann, the upper house of the Oireachtas (parliament) of Ireland, are elected as part of vocational panels nominated partly by current Oireachtas members and partly by vocational and special interest associations. The Seanad also includes two university constituencies. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_Commercial_Panel

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If a federal government that levies taxes and enacts laws affecting individual citizens represents “states” in a manner disproportional to the population of these same citizens, the result is undemocratic.

This is a normative fact.

You can’t argue that giving some citizens hundreds of times the voting power over others is somehow democratic. Or is a person in California and Texas worth less than someone living in Alaska or Delaware? Why do they get less say in how they are taxed?

1 person, 1 vote.

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