Lemdro.id

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2 days ago

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/russia-vetoes-sudan-ceasefire-resolution-at-un-security-council nato threathening the Sudani border of Russia as well? All Russia has to do to stop a war is getting the fuck out of Ukraine, and the killing stops.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP

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2 days ago

Oh look more moralizing. The difference between me and you is that I’m not trying to have some moral high ground here. I just want the war to stop. You’re the one who keeps trying to make it out like the war is all Russia’s fault. Meanwhile, NATO scum is the reason the war continues. You should put your money where your mouth is, and go sign up for the foreign legion. Go fight some Russians and defend Ukraine since you believe in it so much. But we both know you just want other people to die for your ideals because all you fascists are cowards deep down.

All Russia has to do to stop a war is getting the fuck out of Ukraine, and the killing stops.

I love how you trolls keep repeating it as if it’s going to happen if you just say it enough times. What part of the fact that Russia won the war are you still struggling to comprehend?

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1 day ago

I’m not acting for some abstract morals, but against pointless death, imperialist rule and growth of feudal states. Russia as it is personifies most of that.

Russia can stop the war anytime by going back to it’s internationally recognized borders. And nothing says “russia won” like a film studio donating it’s antique tanks to MOD, and the state having to rely on rapists and murderers to win meters of terrain 1000 days into their 2-3 day operation. You’re beyond delusional. You’re cheering a idiot who just destroyed the demography of his already falling dystopian state for the sake of militarizing the rest of Europe against it.
And even if he won, one thing you will see is a campaign of terror directed at Russia by the Ukrainian and broader Slav underground by which the Chechen one was only symbolic.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP

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1 day ago

Given that Russia is not going to just pack up and go home having won the war, explain why you keep repeating this mantra?

And the terror campaign will likely be directed at imbeciles in Europe who have been arming and supporting fascists this whole time. Once these fascists realize you’ve betrayed them, they’re not going to be happy about it. Meanwhile, it’s funny that you brought up Chechnya, given that Chechens are now fighting along side the Russians.

Enjoy having austerity while Europe spends its every last penny militarizing. Best of luck to you with that https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

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1 day ago

If they won why is there fighting still going? And if it’s still going on now and drains Russian resources and bleeds the country (as NATO intends) then why would it stop? It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it “won” or not? Can you please check what percentage of it’s GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the “winning” Russia? If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily? So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.
As for Ukrainians, so happens I’ve been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian. To put it mildly - you’re out of touch with reality. You understand very little of the hatred towards Russia that it has developed. And there are new generations growing up already, who’d been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force. There’s only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover. And if these are bleeding out against mostly 1980’s NATO equipment and modernized soviet era tanks, this would not work out better against less corrupt and much better armed states willing to train new generations of fighters willing to fight till their land is reclaimed? If you believed what you’re saying you’d understand there’s no chance for Russia to actually win.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP

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1 day ago

If they won why is there fighting still going?

Because the fascist regime you’re backing is gang pressing people into fighting. According to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://archive.ph/4FVr4

It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it “won” or not?

Oh wow that’s a fascinating theory. Let’s see what somebody with an actual clue from the The Royal United Services Institute in UK has to say about that https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine

Can you please check what percentage of it’s GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the “winning” Russia?

Can you please check the economic crash in Germany that’s unfolding due to lack of cheap energy from Russia? Guess what ramping up military industry needs, that’s right lots of energy for shit like steel production.

If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily?

Meanwhile in the real world https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.

Sure little buddy, you keep on believing that.

As for Ukrainians, so happens I’ve been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian.

Oh you’ve been working with all the brave Ukrainian patriots who fled the fighting.

And there are new generations growing up already, who’d been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force.

Nah, they’re just gonna stay in Europe.

There’s only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover.

How to tell people that math isn’t your strong suit.

If you believed what you’re saying you’d understand there’s no chance for Russia to actually win.

People like you are a testament to the power of propaganda. The sad truth is that you believe everything you say, and you’ve completely left material reality we exist in. You live in a fantasy world, but thing about material reality is that it can only be ignored for so long.

And I’m going to stop here, enjoy living in your fantasies while you can cause life’s gonna get real hard for people like you real soon.

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1 day ago

Because the fascist regime you’re backing is gang pressing people into fighting. According to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75%

Forcing with conscription as any country during war does? Wow, surprise. Let see Paul Allans army - what’s the volunteer share in Russian army? How much are they paying to to volunteer nowdays? And why are there still volunteers joining Ukrainian side, forming entire battalions in the west, where they could just safely stay?

And even if they were none - you claim Ukraine is a nazi country. You probably know about “operation Gladio”. How can you believe there could be peace if there’s supposedly a massive Ukrainan nazi population and western fascist states willing to use them to destroy Russia, and said Russia attempts to operate on Ukrainians own territory? You’re just casually expecting a CCCP vs Makhnovshchina/Holodomor or Israeli style genocide, or how else could that play out in your head?

Let’s see what somebody with an actual clue from the The Royal United Services Institute in UK has to say about that

If the West is serious about a possible great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its industrial capacity, mobilisation doctrine and means of waging a protracted war, rather than conducting wargames covering a single month of conflict and hoping that the war will end afterwards. As the Iraq War taught us, hope is not a method.

What’s your point here? Long hoping I waste time on reading a longer text with generic statements like “one should prepare for war”? Have a look at Russian reporting on Polands recent armaments. Everyone is already quite invested into that already.

Can you please check the economic crash in Germany that’s unfolding due to lack of cheap energy from Russia? Guess what ramping up military industry needs, that’s right lots of energy for shit like steel production.

Ever heard of Norway and US, the NATO countries?

Meanwhile in the real world

You’re 12 years old or something? You pick one factor, end believe it solves all or somehow compares to GDP? Clearly you don’t care either about say the social securities system, nor if there’s enough trucks and tracks to transport these shell, or, more importantly quality barrels and trained artillery men to accurately use them. Arrow goes up. I got some Putin NFT’s to sell to you if you’re that dumb.

Oh you’ve been working with all the brave Ukrainian patriots who fled the fighting.

Yeah, including Belarusian and Russians. Some 90% women, damn cowards. Should have stayed in cities daily bombarded by your peaceful friends.

Nah, they’re just gonna stay in Europe.

There’s literally tens of thousands being trained in Europe to head back to Ukraine at the very moment. You ever even talked to a real life Ukrainian or you live in your delusional bubble on the internet?

life’s gonna get real hard for people like you real soon.

It is, just to remind you, we’re already dealing with people Russia attempts to kill either by forcing them over Poland’s eastern border, or the ones who had to escape being butchered in the name of your vision of peace in Ukraine.

You pushed this discussion into the issue of war, now you escape it after sidetracking anything that could be proved and argued based on evidence (like Ukraine being somehow necessary to invade Russia which is utter bullshit with history clearly proving you wrong, twice) and redirecting it onto issues of speculation, or lacking data.
Your ignorance and fixation on accepting only propaganda over actually visiting the countries you talk about or talking to their people insulates you from reality, while projecting your insecurity that causes onto me, where I explicitly state basis for my opinions. All you did throughout this entire discussion was cover your eyes, and attempt to insult me while blasting “RT” propaganda 1:1. I just hope you’re paid for spilling this bullshit cuz otherwise you’re just a classical case of a western “useful idiot” as uncle Joseph would say. Hope you get better one day, seriously.

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