See the fun part is that we will know who is right soon enough. This isn’t some philosophical debate here where there’s no clear answer. Russia will win the war, Europe will be stuck dealing with a failed state in Ukraine and a bunch of angry fascist, while getting fucked economically by the US. People like you will be forced to grapple with reality at that point. So enjoy being smug while you can, those days are numbered.
Out of pure interest what does “winning the war” mean for Russia?
Ukraine clearly described what it considers as a win, and it’s clearly very unlikely to achieve it; reclaiming all of it’s internationally recognized borders, you know as guaranteed by Russia and US when Ukraine gave away their nukes.
But Russia’s win was meant to be a parade through Kyiv on the 3rd day or so? Then that got corrected to finally capturing the oblasts they already proclaimed Russia two years ago? Now it might require also reclaiming the part of their actual country they lost, I guess? Your beloved land of social justice never really clearly defined what it’s territorial objectives are, but yeah, it’s not even a war, since they still land people in prison for calling it that so what’s to be won.
Not to mention loosing/crippling half a million of their citizens to size the poorest but fossil fuel rich parts of Ukraine plus a bunch of cities they leveled to the ground, with an estimated 1 million casualties of on both sides “for peace”. Oh, and a side of land fertile in mines. Or creating as you describe “a failed fascist state”, to… secure their border? Additional 1,340km of hard to defend border with NATO in the north? Which one is the win part here?
And mate, seriously, I was born in a collapsing “socialist republic”, and watched it being rampaged by neolibs with explosion of every possible pathology that causes.
It’s pitiful you wish such hardships upon any people, particularly for someones imperialist gains. And laughable you think what you are describing is the worst possible option for central and eastern Europe. Most of the region has seen Russian occupation, it’s in the living memory of our societies, which is exactly why things will not go the way you expect. The worse the situation, the stronger the resistance will be. We’re Slavs, we bask in suffering and fighting against the odds, it’s the one thing we know.
Wining the war means destroying the fighting capacity of the AFU, and ensuring that whatever is left of Ukraine remains a neutral state that can’t threaten Russia and that will never be part of NATO. Also, Ukraine never had nukes. USSR stationed nukes on the territory of Ukraine, but Russia became the inheritor state of USSR.
You don’t seem to understand how wars of attrition work. Everybody who was actually motivated to fight Russia signed up for the army in the first couple of years. Most of them are now dead. At this point, 75% of people fighting are conscripted against their will as Bloomberg reports. Most people left in Ukraine do not care whether it’s under Russian influence or not at this point, they just want the war to end. These deranged fantasies of yours regarding some kind of guerrilla warfare are never going to happen.
Not to mention loosing/crippling half a million of their citizens to size the poorest but fossil fuel rich parts of Ukraine plus a bunch of cities they leveled to the ground, with an estimated 1 million casualties of on both sides “for peace”.
It’s hilarious how people like you just guzzle propaganda uncritically. Here’s what the only western source that shows any methodology has to say, far cry from your fantasies I’m afraid https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
In fact, if you look closely at the chart, you’ll see that casualties have dropped off significantly in the past year of the war because AFU fighting capacity has been degraded to the point where it’s barely a functional fighting force. Don’t take my word for it though, here’s BBC saying that AFU is on a verge of collapse.
Or creating as you describe “a failed fascist state”, to… secure their border? Additional 1,340km of hard to defend border with NATO in the north? Which one is the win part here?
How do you think that’s going to work out for Europe when the hardcore fascists in Ukraine decide that you lot betrayed them?
And mate, seriously, I was born in a collapsing “socialist republic”, and watched it being rampaged by neolibs with explosion of every possible pathology that causes.
Same, the difference is that I’m not licking liberal boots the way you are.
It’s pitiful you wish such hardships upon any people, particularly for someones imperialist gains.
I don’t wish any hardships on anyone. That’s just you projecting your own psychopathic tendencies on others. This war was completely unnecessary, and it happened because NATO decided that it would ignore Russia’s security interest. Support from people like you was crucial in this. Now you get to reap what you all sowed and I have zero sympathy for you.
Most of the region has seen Russian occupation, it’s in the living memory of our societies, which is exactly why things will not go the way you expect. The worse the situation, the stronger the resistance will be. We’re Slavs, we bask in suffering and fighting against the odds, it’s the one thing we know.
You’re all going to be at each other’s throats as your economies continue to unravel. That’s what’s actually going to happen as it always has throughout history. But you keep on believing whatever you need to believe until that happens.
