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Yeah… The military conscription service AKA fascism. How long before Israel escalates a war in the Middle East and Americans are conscripted to carry out Trump’s fascism? I’m guessing the bone spurs argument only works on wealthy people.

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Are you aware of who South Korea share a border with?

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Are you aware that countries sharing borders is no excuse to force conscription against the individual’s will?

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Saying it doesn’t make it true.

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Can’t believe this is getting downvoted.

No country, for any reason, should ever have the right to disenfranchise an individual and force their enlistment. Authoritarianism of this nature should never be supported.

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Authoritarianism

As someone from a country where I was the last year to do that… eh. I dunno. The military service, sure, fuck that. But the alternative if you didn’t want to do that was 1 year of working as a helper in the medical or caretaking field, and those people are missing. It’d be better if everyone just had to do a year of caregiving. It gives you a lot of perspective and is a really good experience, anyways.

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I am absolutely in favor of some sort of civil service or CCC-revival in the US. I’m so fucking tired of how anti-social and disrespectful of others Americans are, and it seems like Covid has only accelerated that.

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It’s probably getting downvoted because it mentions American politics, it’s not necessary to mention trump under EVERY post

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Not yet anyways.

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And the lemmits downvote a perfectly valid standpoint.

And drafting isn’t just racism facism, (thanks autocorrect), it’s straight up slavery.

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That was literally the point of starship troopers. “Service garentees citizenship.” Forcing people into service is a form of fascism because that is the in group you desire.

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Starship Troopers is a kinda subtle book, and the author wasn’t a huge sympathizer of compulsory anything, or of subservience.

It separates civil rights and citizen rights. Everyone has civil rights - no such thing as an unregistered alien, no such thing as forbidding abortions or whatever one wants to do. But citizen status (ability to vote in elections, hold political posts and even work for the government in less important positions, like that veteran with prosthetics in the office who accepted the friends’ papers in the book) is something requiring commitment, so it’s gained by making a sacrifice in the form of federal service.

It’s also not only gained by military service, there are a lot of dangerous and important jobs eligible for that.

Unlike with typical fascism, everyone capable of understanding the oath is eligible for federal service, so if they are not fit for anything military or space related, there still are such jobs to be found.

So IMHO one shouldn’t judge it by Verhoeven’s movie alone.

Evading service is definitely not punishable there. Except there’ll be no second chance to serve.

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