Comment by Echo Dot@feddit.uk on Microsoft Finally Realizes Nobody Wants Its Windows 11 Preinstalled Bloatware

Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux’s “oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don’t worry I’ve prevented it”.

But also it’s really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn’t actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.

OP is a silly billy and doesn’t know how to properly use Linux.

That’s exactly the issue… you need to properly use it. Most people don’t, and can’t be bothered to when Windows is just pre-installed and mostly doing its job alright…

I love that anytime someone brings up a legitimate argument against using Linux. The response is basically just “lol git gud, skill issue”. These Linux Stans are worse than Apple fan boys lol.

They are probably referring to distros that for legal reasons don’t include things like Codecs or proprietary drivers and stuff… and then you need to first research how to manually install those, after figuring out that you even need to do that at all…

Yeah but of course but with Windows I don’t need a third party program to install things onto the OS.

When you actually think about it is bizarre why don’t they just let people install things.

I don’t think you understand how Linux and software work. Windows software doesn’t work on Linux because it depends on other Windows software. Wine tries to supply these missing pieces. Linux isn’t stopping from doing anything.

Yes I do understand how Linux software works. I don’t like it, I’m allowed to understand it and still not like it. What’s with the gatekeeping?

I want my computer to just work I don’t want to have to mess around with it I don’t want to have to try and manage drivers and find versions of drivers that work with a particular operating system I just want to install the program and then use the program.

Windows offers me that. As does Mac accept it comes with a stupidly expensive computer.

Linux is just unnecessary busy work for people who like that kind of thing but I don’t really care about all of that stuff I care about using the programs not the underlying computer stuff. If you like that kind of thing great. But I just want the operating system in my case to get out of the way.

There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.

That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.

Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.

For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.

Linux is veganism for computers.

Veganism for computers.

How can you tell if somebody is a Linux user? Because they tell you, immediately, upon meeting them for the first time. Then they tell you you’re a stupid subhuman for using windows.

It’s great fun.

i’d say if you gave linux a serious try again you would change your mind, but you dont seem to want that, so i’m just gonna wish you a nice day. Maybe just keep in mind the penguin will always welcome you back if you ever get fed up with the steady evolving windows bullshit.

As I said the programs I need to use do not work on Linux I’ve tried to get them to work on Linux and either they straight up won’t run, or they run with terrible performance even with Wine. So it was never really my choice to like Linux.

At that point I gave up and just went back to Windows because realistically I just don’t actually care that much. The point is if it isn’t easy to use out of the box 99% of people are just going to consider it not worthwhile.

Besides I would only end up remoting into a Windows computer anyway in order to get work stuff done, so it just seems like unnecessarily adding a layer of complexity. Just so I can go “screw you Microsoft”. It’s not like they’ll notice.

There’s WSL on windows, I don’t wanna say it’s the same thing as wine, but yeah, you may need other programs to install linux software on windows.

Linux never prevents you from installing anything. What distro was this and what happened? :)

The one where the library the program needed had to be required from source, and the source had dependencies not in the distro’s repo. Flatpacs might finally be solving this, but for some reason Linux folks still think bundling a few hundred kb of libraries and dependencies with the program is a big nono, so software install is really really hard for anything not in the repo, whereas on Windows it just works.

If you only need Firefox and VLC, Linux is great. If you use a wide variety of programs, expect most to either not work, or only be usable as the Windows version through Wine.

Oh look, a person whos never used linux but complains

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