Hello World,

following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.

Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.

Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.

We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.

We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.

We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.

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Reddit was the free speech instance all along? Honestly, with the mods clarifying this I’m asking myself - why the fuck am I on Lemmy again?

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using volunteers for moderation is the root of the problem on both Lemmy and reddit. Its how the zionists took over r/worldnews.

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I mean, people paid for it on Facebook and the likes are arguably even worse at their job so…

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ha, fair point.

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The other dude is confusing. Did you find an answer

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What do you want an answer for, “why is Lemmy better than Reddit”?

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No they want to know the instance for the greatest free speech, without someone saying “discord bans hexbear links”, repeatedly as if anyone asked about what discord does.

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Reddit

Definitely not

If you want to change instances, if you want a US based-instance

If you want a non US instance

Bear in mind that instances being hosted in the US do not automatically mean they’ll implement full free speech. Discuss.online for instance, uses the Code of Conduct: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html

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You’re comparing Reddit removing links to his Manifesto, with Lemmy.world removing comments and posts seen as glorifying the righteous actions he allegedly took, or thinking through the morality of it?

Reddit WASN’T doing that. Lemmy.world WAS.

Likewise given the mod post we’re commenting on, it’s likely Lemmy.world would ALSO remove links to his manifesto.

So yes, there is scope to say there’s more free speech on Reddit on this issue.

It is unclear which instances you’re recommending for better levels of free speech (I asked about Lemmy instances, not discord, a different service entirely).

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it’s likely Lemmy.world would ALSO remove links to his manifesto.

No

If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763

If you want other news communities, there is !usa@midwest.social. There is also the recent !askUSA@discuss.online, with a specific thread about jury nullification here: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877

Lemmy is not as monolithic as Reddit. If you don’t like !news@lemmy.world, just change communities.

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What post have you been reading? There is nothing forbidding you from talking positively about what happened or dunking on Thompson.

This is one of the top posts on .world for the past month and the comments are full of people memeing about it or saying he deserved it.

Meanwhile on Reddit

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