Comment by UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml on Guns

You would have thought that after January 6th/George Floydd protests, and the lack of justice that followed both, would have finally shown liberals they cannot rely on cops and the “justice” system for personal protection.

Yet here we are.

My body, my choice to protect it the way i wish. Fuck off gun grabbers. Prisoners are forced to give up all their rights and yet they are still not safe in prison. I refuse to be your prisoner.

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I choose to protect my body by you not having guns.

Edit: I don’t, but I think you can see the error in your argument now.

I’m sure this sounded convincing in your head.

It’s the entire argument in a nutshell yes. A common-sense response to those desires is what separates the countries that don’t have much gun crime from yours.

Countries that “don’t have much gun crime” = countries with acid attacks

This made me laugh. You sound like Philomena Cunk!

Surely, all that needs to happen is that everyone needs to carry bottles of acid. It will be completely safe in the hands of well-trained acid handlers, and accidents will only happen to people who weren’t trained well enough! This means you wouldn’t even need to regulate it!

How about you just give them guns so they can shoot the acid attackers. Turns out, you don’t need much training with a gun. Point shoot. Very simple. Point shoot. School shooters figure it out just fine.

There are all kinds of discussions we can have about this, not the least of which is that “no guns” simply isn’t an option in a country with 500 million firearms and no central firearm registry.

But, really, all that stuff is beside the point. Guns are the ultimate equalizer. They equalize the weak and the strong. An 80 year old grandma can defend herself against a 25 year old man using a gun. A suppressed populace can defend themselves against a tyrannical government using guns.

Gun crime has negligible impact on most Americans; we have about half as many firearm homicides as traffic deaths annually.

Philosophically, the gun community feels having that equalizer and balance against tyranny is more important than the impacts of gun crime. Whether or not more gun control will decrease gun crime is irrelevant if a person feels that free firearm access is the more important of the two issues.

Btw, regardless of your views, if you come to the US you should shoot some guns. It’s fun and you’ll be glad you did.

Wow, so we have too many guns so no reason to regulate has to be one of the stupidest arguments I have ever heard. It is like common sense showed up to have you shart in their face

Guns are the ultimate equalizer sounds like something a weak assed little Nazi would say. Why does every other modern civilized country not need them then? It is like you look at the worst case and say it is now the best case

I could give a shit about the feels of gun nutters. To think we have to appease homicidal radicals is fucking bonkers.

I think most people will pass on the shooting thing. There is a lot more to the USA than a bunch of gun waving lunatics.

I have traveled most of the country and 95% of Americans are normal people who just want the best for the people around them. They just have different perspectives on what that means.

You should let your hate go, my friend. I promise you’ll be happier for it.

The working class must remain armed.

these people are such idiots. besides, the founding fathers didn’t exclusively intend the second amendment to be used against petty thieves or violent criminals… they wanted it to be used to resist tyranny in all its forms. One form of tyranny is prosecutors dropping violent felons cases, judges setting low bail on repeat violent offenders, and federal governments throwing the borders open and granting special protection to violent criminals that come across the border. The government at best can punish crime, but it can never defend us. I am more than willing to accept school shootings if it means I can shoot someone that I deem a threat if necessary.

You are seriously arguing that the corruption in our police system means there is no protection? This is objectively false.

I would trust an officer over Ultragagginggunnut any day of the week.

The only prisoners are our school children who have to drill for gun violence in their school. Kids who live in fear that their classmates will kill them because they brought another gun nutters unsecured gun to school.

The prisoners are the wives and partners of every abusive gun owner. Scared to leave because they know that it could cost their lives. You ever been raped at gun point? Yeah, didn’t think so.

The prisoners are our society that has to deal with the commercialization of gun ownership and the radicalization of the NRA. Everyday they make our society more unsafe in the name of profits.

The problem isn’t guns, it is people like you that think they solve problems. Guns create problems not solve them.

They need to be tightly controlled to keep them away from people who are mentally unwell. People that think they are the “prisoners” fantasizing about defending their rights and overthrowing the government.

I would trust an officer over Ultragagginggunnut any day of the week.

False dichotomy. Those aren’t the only choices.

In your entire comment, you failed to realize that “Doomsider” is a perfectly viable option.

With “Doomsider” being an option for you, “officer” should be considered a distant second.

When you actually want to respond to what I said I will be waiting.

Certainly. Thank you for your patience, and for the opportunity for discussion.

I respectfully and summarily reject the underlying premise of what you were saying. Your comment did not consider that you are the person best capable of providing your own “protection”.

I submit that the regulatory environment needs to recognize and respect that fact.

What are you waiting for? I have responded twice before this comment. Your comment is premised on a false dichotomy. When we eliminate that premise, the remainder of your comment doesn’t make much sense.

One route forward: You could support your position on a different premise. Another route: You could abandon your previous position and adopt a new one. I eagerly await your choice.

How would guns have helped in the George Floyd case?

Is this a serious question?

Do you believe armed protesters are easier or more difficult to suppress?

I don’t think that question is as simple as you think. Peaceful protest is much more likely to garner public support, at least until things are critical. And taking weapons to a protest in the US seems like an almost guaranteed way to die, one way or another. Not saying the cops are well trained with weapons, but neither are the general public.

More protesters would have been shot. The movement would have been demonized even more than it was.

The protests were already overwhelming peaceful. To re-envision history saying “moars guns” would have helped is pretty bizarre gun nutters nonsense.

The BLM protestors who marched with guns in Georgia didn’t get fucked with by the cops at all, because the cops were scared. Look it up.

Other BLM protestors got beat down by cops in riot gear, in countless examples across the country (when the protestors were unarmed).

I agree. I would much rather rely on myself for protection. Forget trusting the cops, I don’t trust the prosecutors. There are so many liberal prosecutors who are just drop cases, and judges who set low bail, or refuse to impose certain sentence types on repeat offenders, etc. People who want to take away guns are retards.

Some people think that situations where they can rely on others’ strength are normal.

Thus they may agree with need for weapons and self-defense, because “it’s a dangerous time”, but not when everything is in order again. Not even thinking that said “dangerous time” somehow happened and will happen again.

Guns are similar to fire extinguishers and defibrillators in that most of time they are not needed.

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