Comment by enbyecho@lemmy.world on Alright... but who's the bottom?

It’s a dissection of why some people in the LGBT community may be offended. If you’re unwilling to try to see the perspective of others

I don’t think you see the hypocrisy in your own comments.

Empathy would be you not trying to tell people what to think and say and being willing to see their perspective.

Also, clout? On Lemmy? Oh good, I’ve got the support of all 12 of us…

Hey maybe that’s meaningful to you. It certainly seems to be to many.

I don’t think you see the hypocrisy in your own comments.

I never misunderstood that you’re close minded. I’ll even grant that it can be frustrating to feel like you need a formal course on such things and that it changes entirely too fast and that sometimes it all feels like bullshit (ask me about using the term demisexual wrong* on the internet one time). But the world is made better when we work to understand others, which you’ve demonstrated that as being a non-priority for you.

It certainly seems to be to many.

Then why are you here?

But the world is made better when we work to understand others, which you’ve demonstrated that as being a non-priority for you.

That’s your interpretation because I don’t agree with you because as a queer person I want to not be told how to use queer words. Thus demonstrating that working to understand others is a non-priority for you.

That’s the hypocrisy.

It’s not since Reddit that I’ve seen anyone engage in such masterful mental gymnastics to completely avoid getting the point. We have at least silver medal material right here.

Just because you don’t get it doesn’t mean I don’t make sense.

No seriously dude. Go talk to some older gay people, particularly men. Try to make some minimal effort to understand why communities who have been beaten to shit by society want to own their language. It’s gotta be something to have never been in that position.

I understand you. Here’s what you don’t understand: queer people are not a monolith. You do not represent all queer people, so stop acting like you do.

You do not represent all queer people, so stop acting like you do.

But it’s ok when you do it?

I understand that you don’t want to learn. Because that’s what you’re doing. You want to ignore why people don’t want you to say things like that so that the onus isn’t on you to change your behavior because that’s difficult and/or inconvenient. As above, it’s really frustrating to have to learn yet more terms (I still don’t quite get allosexual even though I apparently am that or something along those lines?) and then also to have to break associations with things that haven’t aged well because then you feel obligated to feel bad for making mistakes even if most of the time people don’t care/understand the difficulty.

I understand that you don’t want to learn.

The sheer arrogance of your comment… wow.

You want to ignore why people don’t want you to say things like that so that the onus isn’t on you to change your behavior because that’s difficult and/or inconvenient.

You are the one wanting to ignore people here. You are so convinced that only your perspective can be right that you are unwilling to even process the words I write. You don’t have to agree but to willfully ignore that what I’m saying has legitimacy is just disgusting. And I’ve no doubt you don’t even realize your oppression and your own bigotry. Do you?

I’ve read everything you’ve written and it’s all very immature, self-centered, abdication of responsibility paired with conservative level mental gymnastics. You’ve given me no perspective that I, a gay man from a small midwestern town, haven’t personally borne witness to and a little of what I’ve done once upon a time.

I’m not saying your perspective is wrong, I’m saying it’s self centered, lazy, and ultimately detrimental to you and the people around you.

And I’ve no doubt you don’t even realize your oppression and your own bigotry. Do you?

I make no demands upon you so oppression is out. You are free to ignore my observations at any moment and I couldn’t care less. Hell, at this point I’m writing for everyone that’s not you that’s reading this. My statements are based on how your online persona comes across because I don’t know anything about you beyond that to be bigoted against. By definition, I’d have to be prejudiced against you for membership in a particular group to be bigoted and the only one you’ve listed is ‘queer’ and I’m not that self-hating. You are free to be all the negative things that your online persona appears to be. I’m telling you why people may not want to be around you because of your behavior.

I’ve read everything you’ve written and it’s all very immature, self-centered, abdication of responsibility paired with conservative level mental gymnastics.

Explain to me how that’s immature. Explain to me how saying that actually no, I don’t find such talk offensive and neither do my friends is self-centered? Explain to me how something you apparently don’t understand but which is a very real known and well-established phenomena equates to “mental gymnastics”.

You do in fact make demands on me. You demand I submit to your idea of what’s right. You demand that I acknowledge that the claims of these jokes being bigoted are correct. I don’t and I won’t. Worse, you make exactly zero effort to understand why I feel my perspective has legitimacy. You want mental gymnastics? Look no further.

That’s pretty fucked up dude.

Good bye.

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