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27 points

It’s not like China is going to stop making weapons if I refuse to make weapons.

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32 points

My parents said the same thing about air pollution and carbon emissions

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18 points

I suppose the difference is that a country doesn’t just get conquered by force if it stops polluting.

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Even if the US suddenly lost all its fighter jets, naval force, missiles and bombs. How likely would an invasion be in the next 10 to 50 years?

It is quite a big country with a big population, with a practically uninhabited and difficult to cross country in the north, and a poor drug war ridden country with significant amount of jungle in the south. To the west and east are oceans with some thousands of kilometres until the next sizable and properly inhabitated landmass.

So purely in geographics terms, invading and conquering the US is a huge pain.

Now add to it all the issues of the US dominance in global trade and the ramifications such an invasion would have.

The US doesnt need that army or MIC for defense. It is offense focused and it needs to keep murdering people all over the world to keep its wheels turning.

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Almost all pollution is by industries and not your parents, so…

If anything you could criticize them if they voted to keep the pollution going.

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Buying a big SUV, shopping at h&m, eating red meat multiple times a week, and flying to the other side of the world during summer, are all worse than voting for climate change. Companies don’t pollute for the sake of it.

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yeah this is a really stupid argument

“It’s not like Israël is gonna stop killing Palestinians if I refuse to kill Palestinians”

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4 points

I mean

That’s true tho, pretty much nobody else murders Palestiniains but Israel still does.

Change on all of these scales has to come from societies around the world, not from individuals.

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10 points

Doesn’t make you any less responsible when the fruits of your labor are used to murder civilians.

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10 points

What if I have only ever worked constructively on anti-missile defense systems?

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That’s a harder question to answer and depends more on your own moral compass. Do you believe that having better defensive capabilities empowers the users of your creation to feel safe enough to do evil things? I certainly don’t think you could absolve the makers of anti-missile systems who supply militaries that are committing genocide.

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2 points

A THAAD still could potentially be used for offense even though they don’t use any warheads.

A better argument could be early warning systems, or even their space division where they may have NASA or ESA contracts. Products closer to scientific research, like the Osiris, crew capsules, or the lunar rover they are supposedly teamed up with GM to design.

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2 points

If we don’t build the bombs dropped on Gaza, China will.

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Israel builds weapons so they could do it themselves

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https://afsc.org/gaza-genocide-companies

Between October and the beginning of March, the U.S. approved more than 100 military sales to Israel, but publicly disclosed only two sales. A list of known U.S. arms transfers is maintained by the Forum on the Arms Trade.

Much of these weapons were purchased using U.S. taxpayers’ money through the Foreign Military Sales program, while some were direct commercial sales purchased through Israel’s own budget. An undisclosed amount of weapons was also transferred from U.S. military stockpiles already stored in Israel, known as War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I). The use of WRSA-I to provide Israel with weapons serves to further obfuscate the full picture of U.S. arms transfers, as there is no public record of these stockpiles’ inventory.

This is a form of corporate welfare not only for the largest weapons manufacturers, like Lockheed Martin, RTX, Boeing, and General Dynamics, which have seen their stock prices skyrocket, but also for companies that are not typically seen as part of the weapons industry, such as Caterpillar, Ford, and Toyota (see below).

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2 points

“I can’t force the world to behave as I would like it, so I may as well not have morals”

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4 points

You know, every country has an army. Either their own, or another country’s…

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1 point

Yes? I don’t know what you’re getting at

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3 points

Ask the dead about honour

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Why? They are dead. That makes them irrelevant.

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2 points

I wonder how many arms companies aren’t involved with Israel.

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6 points

Potentially the prosthetic arm companies

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When you realize they actually have an adverse incentive to support indiscriminate bombardment…

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“It’s not like drug addicts will stop taking drugs if I quit heroin.”

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1 point

False equivalency, nice

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