Comment by Signtist@lemm.ee on What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?

Efficient workers get more work if you’re in the office. I work from home, and that allows me to work efficiently until my work is done, set up scheduled emails to go out at the time I would’ve otherwise been done, then do what I want until then.

I see your work doesn’t have invasive programs that check idle mouse and idle keyboard behaviors.

this is an old one but i can’t help thinking, what if they installed it without my knowledge, after all, my work laptop was given to me already pre prepared by our IT department.

Yeah, they’re pretty behind the times, and I’m happy for that. They gave me a work laptop, but since they didn’t block me from just using my home computer instead, I just do that so that I’ve got an excuse if they ever bring up any strange data they might be skimming from the laptop. It’s been a couple years now without any word from them about it, though, so I think I’m in the clear.

Fyi. If your IT department is remotely on top of things - they know. They just might have larger fish to fry.

We can see all kinds of things about any devices that log on to check email, connect to the VPN, etc.

Yeah, I figured they’re aware I’m not using the laptop - I’m not on the VPN most of the time as a result. I’m still able to do all my work in my own copy of excel, though, so I’m hoping I can continue pretending I’m unaware that I’m not following the correct avenues to get my work done, at least until they force me to use the laptop.

wow really glad you have that power

unless the it department tell your manager that wouldn’t matter.

There is an entire department at my work that employs thousands of moderators to review desktop screenshots of all employees every 5 minutes to make sure no one is “idle”.

Makes me want to scream when I think about it.

Luckily I work in a jurisdiction that would tear the whole C-team a new one if that happened.

You you’re writing up more time that it actually took you. That is fraud.

I’m not writing up anything. I clock in when my shift starts, I complete the work designated for me for that shift, send it out by the time it needs to be sent out, and clock out at the end of my shift.

I’m not writing up anything. I clock in

… same fucking thing, Einstein.

The non-fraudulant thing would be to clock out when you’re done.

Maybe it’s meant to be, but my parents taught me about deliberate ignorance, and I intend to use it.

My parents tried teaching me that, but I was ignorant of their lessons.

Also, malicious compliance

That’s not fraud, that’s called “working smarter”. Not giving us a raise to account for inflation, now that’s fraud.

I’m not stealing, I’m just “shopping smarter”.

Damn that boot must be so far down your throat it’s comng out your ass

Is it fraudulent for a mechanic working flat rate to complete a 10 hour job in 6 hours and collect the full 10 hours of pay?

flat rate

Obviously not if it’s a flat rate. But empoyment rarely is flat rate based. The contract are usually require you to work a certain amount of time per week/month.

It does not, or at least should not work like this. If you can do same work, with same quality in less time than average, then pay rate is higher than average.

Most shops I know of these days assign a labor time to any given job. You get charged that amount whether the mechanic does it in half the time or takes five times as long.

Anymore, it’s an internal benchmark for mechanics to build on the efficiency of their own work.

In my line of work, it may take me three hours to solve a client tax issue. I will bill for that accordingly.

If another client comes along the next day with the exact same issue, but this time I know the answer because I researched it yesterday, so I can solve it instantly, should the second client get charged nothing?

No.

It’s literally right there in the sentence you wrote, thankfully.

Nope. They pay me for my availability, not how much of it they utilize.

If that is clearly state in your contract that way, sure.

No, that is literally how employment works.

I remember those halcyon days when calling each other Sherlock and Einstein was the zenith of insults.

On the playground.

During recess.

In the fifth grade.

Which seems appropiate since most of people in this comment chain seem to be teenagers who’s only argument seem to be “boss bad” and “work bad”.

A lot of us speak from experience… it’s not just some opinion pulled out of thin air and being reductive and dismissive isn’t solving anything.

Wow you’re not very intelligent

No unequivocally, you’ve shown us you fundamentally lack intelligence. You’re all over this thread accusing people of fraud for working smart.

You are under the delusion of meritocracy, that good workers get rewarded for being more efficient than their coworkers. If you actually worked an office job ever in your life, you’d realize very quickly that this is not a dynamic that exists there.

Instead, you accuse everyone here of being a teenager. I wager you’re actually the teenager because it takes someone with exceptionally little life experience to have the opinions you have.

Hope your days as pleasant as you are!

Alright then. Good luck with your childish “bare minimum mondays” attitude in the real world. Hope you get fairly rewarded for all that “hard work” you’ll clearly be doing.

Imagine caring about stealing from a thief.

They’re just stealing back a fraction of what is being stolen from them.

Yes, because every single empoyeer is a thief. Capitalism bad, mkay. Fucking tankies.

Maybe you should have gotton some qualification or had a better work ethic and you wouldn’t be stacking boxes at Amazon.

Making fun of a person’s job is easily one of the most unappealing personality traits a person can have.

Imagine thinking capitalists deserve anything other than being kicked to the curb. Workers do everything, the sooner we control things the better.

Yeah, that’s exactly what they said… can you refute that surplus value is extracted through exploitation of labour forces? No? Didn’t think so. Much easier to insult and deride, and pretend that was a meaningful or valuable argument, than to actually make one.

Stealing from a thief is still a crime.

BTW, if they’re a thief, report/sue them. Or are they just “thief” because of an ad hoc moral system you made up to justify anything you do?

Wage theft is one of the least acted upon crimes. This system is immoral, and the people who run it are immoral. Thinking you will get any justice except for what you take for yourself is naive and wrong.

This system isn’t designed for us, its literally designed for the people its named after… Capitalists. Taking anything you can back from them is perfectly fine.

I grew up in a communist country, and we had a saying “if you don’t steal from your employer, you’re stealing from your family”. And people acted accordingly.

You would love that! Or perhaps not, it actually sucked for everybody.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you an AI bot or just stupid?

Wage theft (when employers don’t pay their employees what they’re owed) in the US accounts for more stolen value every year than grand theft auto, larceny, petty theft, and breaking and entering combined. Yet wage theft is not considered a crime.

It’s the same story all over the world. The real issue isn’t the economic system but rather greedy people in positions of power with no accountability.

What in the boot licking fuck is this?

Most employers pay you to be on standby for last minute tasks. That’s what you are doing for the rest of the time. You are also planing on how to do these tasks more efficiently. That is all billable in my opinion.

It’s a double edged sword. I was very efficient, and did get more work, which got me noticed and eventually promoted out of a doing position into a leading position

It’s a nice change, the work is light, the people side of the work is easy. I have higher pay and much more free time

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