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Curious to see China as the whipping boy of climate change, even as the US consumer markets pivot to the far dirtier India, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Philippines for its cheap labor and consumer surplus.

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China is the biggest emitter. India and Indonesia have about a quarter of Chinas per capita emissions. Malaysia is about as bad as China in terms of per capita emissions. It however is also about as rich as China in per capita terms, so not a place for truely cheap workers.

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China is the biggest emitter. India and Indonesia have about a quarter of Chinas per capita emissions.

China isn’t the biggest emitter per capita. Why would you suddenly shift the goalposts between sentences?

Malaysia is about as bad as China in terms of per capita emissions.

The big difference being that Chinese emissions per capita have finally started falling, while Malaysia and India are seeing an unchecked rise. A big part of this shift is due to the production of western-oriented consumer goods production. As the Chinese state grows more strict in their emissions standards, international business is shifting manufacturing to countries with looser regulations and weaker government institutions.

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China isn’t the biggest emitter per capita. Why would you suddenly shift the goalposts between sentences?

Why do you have a problem with multiple facts? It is rather simple: People look at China, because it is the largest emitter in the world. Then you claimed that countries like India and Indonesia are dirtier then China, which is looking at emissions per capita, just plain and simply wrong.

The big difference being that Chinese emissions per capita have finally started falling,

Again problems with facts. China has had a slight growth in emissions this year and the population is falling. There have been some months and quarters with emissions dropping, but it is still probably stable.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-off-track-emissions-goals-energy-demand-offsets-renewables-push-2024-11-27/

Even when you look at consumption China is by far the largest emitter in the world. In 2022 the OECDs combined emissions were only 30% higher then those of China, when looking at consumption. When you look at per capita emissions, those are close to EU level and the data is from 2022, so it might have crossed by now.

https://ourworldindata.org/consumption-based-co2

Also China had insane emissions growth for decades from a low level due to producing for the West. Interesting that you seem to want to deny countries like India and Indonesia that opportunity. The main reason production is leaving China is high cost, due to high wages.

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China is also a bigger emitter per capita than most european countries - for a decade now.
Why do so many people only compare to US - a small fraction of the world - maybe as fits simplistic narratives ?

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It’s just posturing. There’s an economic factor behind it. If there was not a profit to be made, they would be burning coal with great abandon.

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