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By that logic, we should then remove all barriers to run. If a convicted criminal can run, thereā€™s no reason a 28 year old with no criminal background canā€™t.

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Well, basically, this is the gist of ā€œa republic, if you can keep itā€. At the end of the day, my boy Montesquieuā€™s words hang over all government like a spectre. Governments rule only by the consent of the governed. If everyone woke up tomorrow and decided we wanted Leninā€™s mummified goatee to be president, constitution be damned, Biden be damned, itā€™d be the president.

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Might as well ditch the citizenship requirement while weā€™re at it.

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5 points

Elon musk starts sweating

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oh god, Elon isnā€™t running for president, is he?? (edit: genuine question asked out of concern that Elon may be running)

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(Getting this out of the way first: Iā€™m not a Trump supporter.)

Convicted felons can and have run for President in the past. Some campaigns have even been run from prison. Disqualifying somebody from running for office because of a conviction is extremely easy to weaponize. Itā€™s the next step in removing somebodyā€™s right to vote because of a conviction (a thing we do/have done and shouldnā€™t).

I agree with you on the age thing, though. If you can vote, you should be able to hold office.

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I think the charges are pertinent. Anything directly related to undermining the very democracy you seek to lead, should be disqualifying. Likewise anyone convicted of some voter fraud crimes should have their right to vote revoked. Now I donā€™t mean all crimes in this areas. But there are definitely some that should stick around

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This is the correct answer, in my opinion. Someone that went through a tough patch earlier in life and was convicted of stealing a car or something? Largely irrelevant to their ability to govern, if previous crimes were compensated for (i.e. they served their sentence). Actively inciting a coup to forcefully stay in office? Yeah, thatā€™s a deal breaker.

Regardless, if Trump gets convicted of any of these crimes, that mother fucker will be serving prison time. How can he possibly be president if heā€™s in jail? At least, for this 2024 cycle. Honestly, I donā€™t see him lasting another 10 years anyway, so I feel this whole debate will ultimately serve fruitless beyond the 2024 presidency.

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cough cough 14th Amendment, Section 3. cough cough

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Anything directly related to undermining the very democracy you seek to lead, should be disqualifying.

Some of the things heā€™s been charged with are, but there are SO MANY CHARGES and only some of them would disqualify him from holding office, if convicted. And thereā€™s no solid grounds to deny him anything other than an opportunity to flee the courts until heā€™s actually convicted of something.

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The problem is that government isnā€™t a computer. Plenty of corrupt governments convict political opponents of stuff like that all the time to bar them from running.

I agree with the other user, there should be as few barriers to who can run as possible, because the more restrictions there are, the more levers bad actors can pull while having some air of legitimacy.

We have a mechanism for this already: impeachment.

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The problem is itā€™s not the felony, itā€™s the crime; Conspiracy against the government is what disqualifies, not simply a felony

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Thereā€™s a good case to be made that the 35 year old restriction is dumb and should be amended out.

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If this actually works, the next step will be abolishing the two-term limit. ā€œLeave it to the will of the people to decide if they want a dictatorship.ā€

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