Guys, at this rate I don’t think the revolution’s going to happen anytime soon.
“I’m a leftist, and I proudly support 0 historical leftist movements which actually achieved anything”
Tell me one (1) leftist movement that actually achieved significant social change that you support
Winning is authoritarian. Everything makes more sense when you understand that this is where the opposition to “authoritarianism” comes from.
It’s how you can denounce movements that win, while suggesting the left uses tactics that lose. It is a meaningless word that means successful deviation from the desires of the West.
Bingo. The only “worthy” leftist movements in these people’s minds are the ones that failed, because they weren’t tested under real world conditions. Anarchism in the Spanish civil war, Allende, those are fine to glorify because they ultimately lost, and that way you can keep your moral high ground and standards by worshipping an idealised version of them rather than real-life socialism with material and historical costraints
