Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new “king”

Update: position got backed up by an official Proton post on Mastodon, it’s an official Proton statement now. https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503

Update 2, plot-twist: they removed this response from Mastodon - seems they realize it exploded into their face!

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The writing was on the wall for proton for a while now

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57 points

No it hasn’t. Back this claim up with some evidence

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I wouldn’t call it “writing on the wall,” but they have done some not-so-good things over the last few years:

  1. Handing over data for their email services (which was legally required) (ref).
  2. Releasing a Bitcoin wallet. The problem for me is that Bitcoin is inherently not private.
  3. Lying in marketing. Proton claims “no data or speed limits” for their free VPN (ref), which is just plain wrong. If you download a few gigs, it will slow you down to a few Mbit (if I remember correctly). I even contacted their support about this, and they just said, “They are balancing the servers for the free VPN.” But then why was it fast in the beginning, and if I reconnected to the same server, would it be fast again. Just to be clear: I have no problem with the speed limit/balancing itself, just that they are lying about it.
  4. Proton incentivizing free email accounts to connect to a Gmail account to get 500 MB more storage. (You need to go through the “tutorial” steps to get the 500 MB extra, and one of them is to have a Google Mail account send all their emails to your new Proton inbox.)

This is why I personally decided against Proton.

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These are useful data for making decisions about using their service, but not exactly indicative of support for a right wing authoritarian leader who lies more in one day than he has hairs on his entire body.

Edit: typo

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Woah… an actually rock-solid account of problems with Proton! Nicely done.

This contrasts with the incoherent conspiracy theory spaghetti that has sometimes been trotted out to make the case against them.

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1,2 and 3 are completely irrelevant. 1 is completely normal, 2 missed the point that the wallet (which I don’t use, I never owned crypto) has nothing to do with privacy and 4 is an optional marketing strategy to incentivise migration from google. Nothing is wrong with any of this.

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This is interesting. I’m current using btguard, but was thinking about other vpn providers. I have a free protonmail email account and was wondering about their vpn service. Sounds like they are not so privacy oriented. And I assume NordVPN is a similar story?

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2 points

What did you go with out of curiosity?

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4 points

Yea! I’m interested, I did not see that coming…

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2 points

Neither did I.

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They’ve been cooperating with law enforcement and handing data to the cops proactively since 2021.

Pay attention.

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9 points

What do you mean with “proactively”?

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Is this what you’re referring to?

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