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the word libertarian comes from anarchists (eg. libertarian socialists) however right wing anarchists (anarcho capitalists) have claimed the term, so now a libertarian is a right wing anarchist

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I still don’t believe that anarcho-capitalists exist. The ideology just loops back into fascism most of the time.

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There is no critique of capitalism so it’s incompatible with anarchism.

They’d be actual anarchists if they didn’t conflate capitalism with markets.

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If they use the term themselves, it’s just a synonym then

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I see it more like feudalism with extra steps

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A rebrand, if you will

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Capitalist anarchism doesn’t exist. Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy (or if you want to stick to the literal meaning of “anarchism”: capitalism is a way to create rulers)

There are capitalist anti-statists, bit being against states isn’t sufficient to make you an anarchist for above reasons.

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Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy

It’s a form of hierarchy through economic accumulation. The problem of justice is in the privative accumulation. When we start the game playing from a stacked deck, only a handful of people ever have an opportunity to accumulate new capital, while the rest of us are bound to serve through debt.

Leveling the playing field allows people to accumulate within their lifetimes, and incentivizes capital development broadly, without allowing intergenerational accumulation to stagnant the system.

But wealth redistribution is incredibly unpopular among the people with the most political capital, necessitating some kind of social or economic revolution to achieve change.

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I say co-opt it back to its original leftist roots. I don’t mind calling myself a libertarian instead if I’m talking to a right winger who’s scared of anarchists and then just say “the socialist kind”. It’s a conversation starter to introducing a right winger to how one can believe a market free from capitalists (the best kind of free market) is actually not the worst idea ever

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there are also people like me who are in the middle and think both the left and right have valid economic points and arguments but that authoritarian rule is gross.
Libertarianism is a spectrum just like authoritarianism.

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both the left and right have valid economic points and arguments but that authoritarian rule is gross.

I’m not clear how you have privatization without authoritarianism. Property claims without enforcement aren’t worth much.

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And this is why I am a minarchist ultimately, we know that there must be a monopoly on violence, preferably that would be held by a state of elected peers that can be impeached for transgressions against the public trust. I am 100% personally for protections and social safety nets, a strong system to protect and enrich the lives of citizens so that they can be productive and have better outputs in the long run benefits all of us. And it turns out it’s generally cheaper to fix problems then let them fester and rot.

Personally, I would love modern societies bring back banishment as a punishment for being a corrupt official. Imagine if election day lets you vote somebody out of the country for being a huge dick head and a detriment to your life and rights.

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But minarchists are also libertarians. Libertarian is quite wide term. It also may include left-libertarians (anarchists).

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Brother, that’s exactly the point I’m making.

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I tried to simplify it, also I don’t think OP meant those other groups with the clown shoes

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Probably they didn’t but it’s kind of like me saying all leftists are stupid when in fact I’m trying to criticize a specific group of left-leaning individuals who like large tracked vehicles

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