Summary

French President Emmanuel Macron urged Europe to “wake up” and strengthen its defense in response to Donald Trump’s second-term inauguration.

Highlighting potential U.S. policy shifts, including reduced support for Ukraine and a military pivot to the Pacific, Macron emphasized Europe’s need to reduce reliance on U.S. security.

He called for increased European military spending, robust aid to Ukraine, and guarantees for its security post-war.

Macron’s remarks underscore concerns about U.S. disengagement and aim to prompt Europe to play a larger role in global security.

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95 points

I feel for you. People just voted in power kind of asshats their grandparents fought a war against.

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This is what gets me. I remember the war stories my grandparents told, I remember the nightmares my grandfathers had. These boomers are throwing away a country their PARENTS fought for, to people their PARENTS fought against. It only took one fucking generation to brainwash them.

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The thing is, it was a close one that first time around. Prior to Pearl Harbor there was a small but strong pro-Nazi movement in the US. That’s part of why the US was being moderately hands off during the start of WW2. Sure the US was shipping supplies to the UK, but in the grand scheme of things that wasn’t much.

Japan really fucked up by attacking the US as there’s a pretty strong argument to be made that that one action determined the outcome of WW2. There’s an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn’t happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Turns out the pro-Nazi faction in the US never really went anywhere, they just got quiet for nearly a century. Lets hope we can shut them up this time again.

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Of course they never went away. Same thing happened with the US civil war; they didnt finish the job (and id argue it was probably the same groups).

Clearly, “the scouring of the shire” is not an optional part of the story.

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There’s an alternate history out there where Pearl Harbor didn’t happen and the US either never took part in WW2 or else entered far too late to make a difference and the Axis powers ultimately won.

Seems unlikely since either way the Soviets did the bulk of the work of defeating the Nazis.

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Only hope is that current bunch appear to be morons and sycophants, but they can pave the way to something much worse. Honor and dignity has disappeared from politics and surprising many stabilising things were reliant on that. Now everything goes and Trump will go like a Duracell rabbit.

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That’s social cycle theory. Over the generations, people respond to circumstances and do things a bit differently, setting the next generations up for different circumstances and where the lessons from the past are forgotten. It follows a typical pattern that humanity is doomed to repeat.

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Don’t think it’s the boomers. Gen x and millennials.

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Boomers are the core, but they’ve gotten some reinforcements from Gen X and Millenials. The good news if there is any is that not enough of Gen X and Millenials are MAGAts to carry an election without the Boomers, so in another couple decades if a bunch of Gen Alpha doesn’t turn real stupid we might have a chance.

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Thank you. This isn’t a generation problem. There’s plenty of young Republicans out there too.

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WW2 - Democratic America and Communist Russia, joining together to fight Fascist Europe

whatever this shit is - Fascist Russia and Fascist America scheming over how they’ll divide the world.

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You’re missing China, Israel, and to a lesser extent, Iran.

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Im not convinced that China will ultimately stay “allied” to Russia. the CCP is incredibly obstinent, and Russians are incedibly racist, they hate China, they hate the fact that China has been taking over east asia (including the colonized parts of Russia) for years up to this, they’ve fought serious border wars against each other. they say they’re allies, but its only for the camera, the only reason Russia isn’t openly regarded as a Chinese satellite state, is the nuclear arsenal. Russia’s economy is smaller than Italy, it has a relatively large population of old and poor people, its military is eviscerated, and it’s used up pretty much all of the diplomatic capital it had in the world by going on an imperialist genocide.

and until Im proven wrong, the Republican party in the US seems to have nothing but hatred for China, and nothing but footsie flirtation for Russia. I think I read somewhere back during Trump’s first term that they were trying to “court Russia to be America’s ally so that in the future they could both fight China” Not giving a F about how Russia is seen by Europe, (and in hindsight other than getting the nukes off the table, its a braindead alliance plan, Russia cooked itself trying to colonize Ukraine, and pissed off europe to the point they started re-arming, making them the military power of the continent again. Strategically, if we’re disregarding the openly kleptocratic tendancies of Mobsters and Oligarchs running both countries, making people like Putin, Trump, and Musk ridiculously wealthy… Russia has nothing to contribute to America other than taking 3000 nukes out of the equation, and guess what, China and America still have enough to wipe each other out)

Israel and America are largely the same entity.

Iran and Russia are diplomatically, the same entity, Russia’s closest ally isn’t the fake, for the cameras relationship with China, their closest Ally is Iran

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It’s really not th same at all, but good fear mongering.

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