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7 points

I’m not a vegan but you’ve lost me. Explain your thought process.

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The vast majority of aborted fetuses are not sentient. Sentience is the ability to know oneself exists through feeling. Yet in the US, there are laws protecting insensate biological material but not sentient male chicks ground up alive in the egg industry. I see the moral value of a day old chick as far more than a 14 week fetus since the male chick has sentience and can feel pain while a 14 week old fetus cannot.

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Sentience is the ability to know oneself exists through feeling.

no, it’s the ability to feel (especially pain)

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The idea that animals are on the same level as humans is laughable.

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The idea that a human fetus is on the same level as humans is also laughable 🤷‍♂️

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It’s still orders of magnitude above a chicken, and comparing the two is a joke. I’m a fetus deletus caster, just so we don’t have a confusion on my stance on that part.

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Humans are animals. Why doesn’t it make sense to protect the rights of beings that can feel and know they exist over biological material that can’t feel or know it exists?

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Will someone please teach the mean old foxes that eating chickens is morally reprehensible, too? All animals are equal, after all.

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In many ways, no they’re not. The average chicken/pig/cow isn’t on the same intelligence level as the average human, for instance.

That being said, you’re not going to convince me that those differences are great enough to justify enslaving and killing them by the billions when alternatives exist.

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And you’re not going to convince me that you can enslave an animal.

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6 points

piss off dude

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-3 points

You are prey.

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2 points

What makes one animal on a different level than another animal?

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It being the same species as me. There’s no objective reason I’m “better” than a chicken since value is a subjective measure.

Since it’s subjective though, it’s not unreasonable to say that as humans, we value humans more than chickens.
We’ll never escape the subjective nature of value judgements, but as long as we’re honest about their subjectivity we can work with it.

A moral system that requires me to pretend that when you, my child, and a chicken are trapped in a burning building that I’ll be unconcerned about who gets rescued first is a non-starter. Likewise, when it’s me, your child, and a chicken it’s a non-starter to assume you’ll have the same priorities as me.

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