Yes, but you’re framing one as victims, while the other you’re treating with contempt. Might want to examine what you’ve internalized that makes you feel that way.

It’s framing them as victims to say that propaganda works?

Do you… do you think that I believe that left-abstainers flipped a coin one morning and decided to go against their stated principles?

A) I brought up minority groups abandoning Harris because you brought up how people who didn’t vote for her were betraying minorities.

Okay. And?

Again, saying that propaganda works means nothing. “Jews for Hitler” didn’t mean that Nazi voters and apathetic-abstainers weren’t betraying Jewish folk by letting the Nazis into power, and that Nazi voters were betraying Jewish folk wouldn’t have changed if “Jews for Hitler” were one million voters strong instead of one hundred strong.

B) I never said Trump wasn’t going to get minorities killed. He’s gonna kill a lot of people, and I’m sure disproportionate numbers of minorities will wind up dead.

… and you think, then, that enabling this person who’s going to get large amounts of minorities killed who otherwise would not be is… what?

Some kind of service to us?

C) If this many people, across all demographics, decided they were either better off voting for the fascist or indifferent to the fascists victory, what does that tell you about how Democratic leadership is going?

First and foremost, it says that many people, across all demographics, are fascists or indifferent to fascists.

That Dems are incompetent is true, but hardly the core problem; 2/3s of the country is okay with fascism.

If the only two people running are Mr. Magoo and Adolf Hitler, and a voter thinks it’s acceptable to let Hitler win, that voter is a fascist or a fascist enabler. End of. And that is not some minor thing, some little oopsie, but a major problem.