Comment by ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com on Anon watches The Terminator

Total fiction. Everyone knows you have to go to a unlicensed seller at a gun show in the majority of states for that, not a gun store

unlicensed seller at a gun show

Says people who have never been to a gun show. Find me ONE table that’s unlicensed.

I’m sure there are plenty.

The finer detail though is that any FFL with a table still has to run a NICS background check. While any non-FFL doesn’t (and to my knowledge can’t even if they wanted to), which is exactly the same as if they were selling privately in any other way.

So, it is true you can buy a gun without a background check at a gun show, but it’s not like it’s a special law free zone where FFLs suddenly are exempt from the rules. It’s a unique situation where businesses and private sellers are selling guns right next to each other, each following different legal requirements.

Tbf, some states allow private sellers at gun shows, some don’t, some shows in states that do allow it won’t allow it themselves, etc. It’s kinda a mixed bag leaning more towards “mostly FFLs.”

My local has both, for instance.

I can find several people walking around with an AR15 strapped on their back with a sign that says “For sale, $1200”. That’s the actual private sales loophole.

There’s one gun show near me that allows private sellers to register for a table. The only time I’ve ever seen it is people in a historic items collectors club that show up, and I’ve only ever seen one with a gun to sell that was in working order and manufactured post-1899. He wanted $5,000 for a beat up m1917 Enfield. I don’t know whether he was stupid, or looking for someone else who was.

It doesn’t have to be a gun show, can be anywhere. I’ve legally purchased a handful of guns in random parking lots.

in the majority of states

States Where You Can Buy a Gun at a Gun Show Without a Waiting Period or Background Check

In the following states, private sellers (non-licensed individuals) at gun shows can sell firearms without conducting a background check or imposing a waiting period:

Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Georgia Idaho Indiana Kentucky Louisiana Maine Mississippi Missouri Montana New Hampshire New Mexico North Carolina (only for rifles & shotguns; handguns require a permit) North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming

FREEDOM

I love that the only surprising part of that list is that north Carolina was somewhat responsible

According to another comment reply that info is out of date

Of course that’s good because like 60% of pistol purchase permit denials were to black people and it was a jim crow law designed for exactly that, but yeah I remember reading about that when they ended it.

All you need to do to stop that is make it possible for private individuals to conduct or verify a background check without involving an FFL dealer.

Sellers have a responsibility to sell only to non-prohibited people. Without a public background check option, that means you can’t sell if you have reason to believe they are prohibited.

As soon as you provide the option, your refusal to conduct a check stops being exculpatory evidence and starts demonstrating malfeasance.

Virginia implemented a universal background check law a couple years ago that banned private sales without going through an FFL so they can be removed from the list. Though I’m not sure about the other half of the country

North Carolina no longer requires a permit, except for concealed carry.

Which is good because it was a racist Jim Crow law and the majority of denials were to black people.

I did not know that. I do know you still have to get the federal background check, but that is handled by the gun shops and not the state.

Well gun shops and FBI of course, but yeah not the state.

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