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6 points

And you could pay people to use an abacus instead of a calculator. But the advanced tech improves productivity for everyone, and helps their output.

If you don’t get the tech, you should play with it more.

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17 points

I get the tech, and still agree with the preposter. I’d even go so far as that it probably worsens a lot currently, as it’s generating a lot of bullshit that sounds great on the surface, but in reality is just regurgitated stuff that the AI has no clue of. For example I’m tired of reading AI generated text, when a hand written version would be much more precise and has some character at least…

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4 points

Try getting a quick powershell script from Microsoft help or spiceworks. And then do the same on GPT

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What should I expect? (I don’t do powershell, nor do I have a need for it)

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If you are blindly asking it questions without a grounding resources you’re gonning to get nonsense eventually unless it’s really simple questions.

They aren’t infinite knowledge repositories. The training method is lossy when it comes to memory, just like our own memory.

Give it documentation or some other context and ask it questions it can summerize pretty well and even link things across documents or other sources.

The problem is that people are misusing the technology, not that the tech has no use or merit, even if it’s just from an academic perspective.

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Yes, I know, I tried all kinds of inputs, ways to query it, including full code-bases etc. Long story short: I’m faster just not caring about AI (at the moment). As I said somewhere else here, I have a theoretical background in this area. Though speaking of, I think I really need to try out training or refining a DeepSeek model with our code-bases, whether it helps to be a good alternative to something like the dumb Github Copilot (which I’ve also disabled, because it produces a looot of garbage that I don’t want to waste my attention with…) Maybe it’s now finally possible to use at least for completion when it knows details about the whole code-base (not just snapshots such as Github CoPilot).

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-9 points

It’s one thing to be ignorant. It’s quite another to be confidently so in the face of overwhelming evidence that you’re wrong. Impressive.

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confidently so in the face of overwhelming evidence

That I’d really like to see. And I mean more than the marketing bullshit that AI companies are doing…

For the record I was one of the first jumping on the AI hype-train (as programmer, and computer-scientist with machine-learning background), following the development of GPT1-4, being excited about having to do less boilerplaty code etc. getting help about rough ideas etc. GPT4 was almost so far as being a help (similar with o1 etc. or Anthropics models). Though I seldom use AI currently (and I’m observing similar with other colleagues and people I know of) because it actually slows me down with my stuff or gives wrong ideas, having to argue, just to see it yet again saturating at a local-minimum (aka it doesn’t get better, no matter what input I try). Just so that I have to do it myself… (which I should’ve done in the first place…).

Same is true for the image-generative side (i.e. first with GANs now with diffusion-based models).

I can get into more details about transformer/attention-based-models and its current plateau phase (i.e. more hardware doesn’t actually make things significantly better, it gets exponentially more expensive to make things slightly better) if you really want…

I hope that we do a breakthrough of course, that a model actually really learns reasoning, but I fear that that will take time, and it might even mean that we need different type of hardware.

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14 points

“Improves productivity for everyone”

Famously only one class benefits from productivity, while one generates the productivity. Can you explain what you mean, if you don’t mean capitalistic productivity?

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I’m referring to output for amount of work put in.

I’m a socialist. I care about increased output leading to increased comfort for the general public. That the gains are concentrated among the wealthy is not the fault of technology, but rather those who control it.

Thank god for DeepSeek.

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