this is very self-serving ass covering from the rationalist sphere
there’s a glaring hole in it: what precisely the break was between Ziz and her friends and the rest of the rationals. this isn’t detailed.
xcancel: https://xcancel.com/aella_girl/status/1884481375690223684
aella’s document dump: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1z21U_q1tESO61iL35ertsIjZYczJrHpQ
they must be understandably seriously shook, because this is the most coherent, concise, grounded thing I can remember seeing a rationalist write. ofc I have no idea about the facts but it’s not even obviously dishonest
Well, they should be shook, this is for a community that already has a somewhat high body count an splinter-off cult with a extreme body count, seems they killed as many people as they had people.
A sidenote, this kind of stuff is why I call LW Rationalism a cult(*) incubator (***), im not sure because it is due to the teachings/culture of LW Rationalism, or that it attracts the type of nerdy person who is feeling like they are missing something in their lives, and the predators that prey on people (or both).
Also I’d say some of framing around the 2019 event feels a bit dishonest, with the ‘there were children’ and the ‘accusations of transphobia’ while deadnaming them.
*: I’m using the word here in a bit of a broad term, so it includes the Zizians, the homesteader neo-nazis, the IQ-anon(**), MRAs, anti-feminists, actual cults, the robotgod is going to kill us people, PUAs, NRx (E: forgot the cryptocurrency people) etc.
**: I dislike the term TESCREAL (as a term it is too broad, unclear, unclear why they are bad, and gets used by the sort of blueanon types already, and it already is giving a negative reputation to the people using it due to that), so when I saw somebody call the TESCREAL people IQ-anon I thought it was great and im going to use that. Small bonus that this also sort of applies to the non-TESCREAL people in TESCREAL (See how dumb the word looks?) spaces who promote a lot of IQ bs, like slurinnameo on themotte/ssc. (E: I forgot to mention that obviously this isn’t a perfect match to bad things of TESCREALism, not a lot of longtermers think of IQ stuff as something important etc, so it isn’t a good replacement)
***: yes, like a business/tech incubator, very silicon valley.
blueanon
BlueAnon (a portmanteau of blue and QAnon) is a term used to describe conspiracy theories which posit Donald Trump’s engagement in elaborate schemes to unlawfully seize or maintain control of the United States Government, independently or as the object of manipulation by foreign governments.
Huh? This doesn’t sound unreasonable.
Another BlueAnon theory posits that Ivana Trump was secretly cremated by Donald Trump to free room in her coffin to hide self-incriminating documents so as to conceal them from discovery by investigators.
Oh. All right.
To be fair, the highest-level claims of just about any conspiracy theory sound at least plausible. Even Qanon tends to start off with claims that are basically confirmed by the Epstein case before they start extending the conspiracy to more places, incorporating Jesus, and excluding their preferred Messiah figures.
Huh? This doesn’t sound unreasonable.
Yes, blueanon is the people who go write a few things, and then the first things are reasonable stuff, and then after that it goes completely crazy off the wall wild with speculation. Like they see one fact, and then they just imagine some wild fantasy world. (And because a lot of people go ‘well sometimes they have a point, so we should listen to them’ they get attention (ignoring that you can just not listen to them and still hear the actually true points from other less sensational (and less crazy) sources). A good example of this is Seth Abrahamson who recently wrote a thing on Musk which was just crazy (and he called himself an expert on Musk because he was watching him the past two years or so (if that makes him an expert, im a fucking musk research university))
Man, if only there were some way to get rid of documents permanently. Like how one might get rid of a body by cremating it. Oh well, time to secretly hide these binders in a coffin.
That being said I’ve heard the alternative theory that trump buried her on mar-a-lago grounds (or wherever the fuck it was) so that he could claim that the grounds were a graveyard, for tax purposes. (I do not believe this)
