Office space meme:
“If y’all could stop calling an LLM “open source” just because they published the weights… that would be great.”
So i still don’t see your issue with deepseek, because just like an emulator, everything is open source, with the exception of the data. The end result is dependent on the ROM put in to it, you can always make your own ROM, if you had the tools, and the end result followed the expected format. And if the ROM was removed the emulator is still the emulator.
So if deep seek removed its data set, would you then consider deepseek open source?
everything is open source, with the exception of the data
If I distribute a set consisting of emulator and a Rom of a closed source game (without the sourcecode), then the full set is not open source.
So if deep seek removed its data set, would you then consider deepseek open source?
Kind of, but that’s like expecting a console without any firmware. The Weights are the important bit of an LLM distribution.
So like an emulator. Or at least the PS2 ones when you had to dump your bios from your machine (or snatch someone else’s).
But that’s my point! The data set is interchangeable. So Its not what makes the deepseek, THE deepseek LLM . But without the data set it would be functionally useless. And there would be no way possible to satisfy your requirement for data set openness. You said there is some line in the sand somewhere where you might be satisfied with some amount of the data, but your argument states that granularity must be absolute in order to justify calling it open source. You demand an impossible unnecessary standard that is not held to other open source projects.
The differenge is that the dataset is baked into the weights of the model. Your emulation analogy simply doesn’t have a leg to stand on. I don’t think you know how neural networks work.
The standards are literally the basis of open source.
The engine is open source, the model is not.
The enumqtor is open source, the games it can run are not.
I don’t see how it’s so hard to understand.
They are saying that the model that the engine is running is open source because they released the model. That’s like saying that a game is open source because I released an emulator and the exscutable file. It’s just not true.
