S'koden.(lemmy.world)

You meant that you’re more comfortable being killed by a Nazi in a government office signing some paperwork than being killed by a Nazi who uses their own two hands.

Drag doesn’t really understand that kind of mindset. Dead is dead. Danger is danger. And treating danger less seriously because it wears a suit and tie will get us all killed.

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Soulg@sh.itjust.works

0 points

9 days ago

It clearly doesn’t matter what I meant because you insane idiots will just invent things and pin them on me to strawman your stupid arguments.

If you can take a crowbar and kill someone with it, when you’re not in immediate mortal danger, you are a danger to society.

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qyron@sopuli.xyz

-6 points

9 days ago

That take is pushing on a marginal understanding of that person’s position.

It is easy to understand they would not engage in violent action unless forced to do so in a life or death situation. And that is understandable. Implies the person has a conscience.

Unlike the extremists currently trying to overtake the world.

It may lead to the point where we will have to resort to force to end that trend but it does not mean we have to do it gladly.

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Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz

1 point

9 days ago

We should take joy in our survival. When the lion kills an antelope, it feels the thrill of the hunt. It enjoys the taste of the meat. Killing is a horrible wrong and meat shouldn’t be eaten. But the lion doesn’t have a choice. There are no vegan lions. And if the lion must eat meat, then it should enjoy eating meat. Evolution made it enjoy eating meat so it would have an easier time surviving.

We should do everything we can to make our survival easier. Like the lion, we should learn to find joy in living another day. Like the lion, we don’t have a choice on whether to use violence. There is no time for us to have empathy for our murderers. We should meditate on these feelings until we’ve overcome them.

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qyron@sopuli.xyz

5 points

9 days ago

That is a complete false equivalence.

The rethoric you employed can be easily used to uphold the cause you are very poorly trying to denounce.

We are not lions. Unlike lions, we can, to a degree, foresee the outcome of our choices and actions. That comes with the notion that every choice has a consequence.

The times we are currently enduring are the consequence of passively allowing ideas that were actively destroyed, by force, in our recent past, to gain traction again.

The millions of lives lost in war will be wasted, both of victims and soldiers, if we allow ourselves to fall into that path again, something which is looming, but to engage in the same rethoric and acts we should be denoucing will make worst than those we are fighting.

If things come to such point, were we will be forced to pick up arms to kill each other, we must not do it with ease of mind. We are not butchers, we are not murderers, we are not indifferent to suffering and misery. We must fight because we have no other option left.

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Soulg@sh.itjust.works

2 points

9 days ago

Well said

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Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz

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9 days ago

The times we’re enduring are a consequence of forgetting that killing Nazis is the best thing the western world ever did. We’ve become a culture that abhors violence and tolerates intolerance. And that’s not an accident, it’s a propaganda campaign. The government wants us to be passive and toothless. So it tells us that the only legitimate use of violence is the state. It tells us to follow the law and trust in the system.

The system is broken! The time to fight is now!

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