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The launch of Chinese AI application DeepSeek in the U.S. has raised national security concerns among officials, lawmakers, and cybersecurity experts. The app quickly became the most downloaded on Apple’s store, disrupting Wall Street and causing a record 17% drop in Nvidia’s stock. The White House announced an investigation into the potential risks, with some lawmakers calling for stricter export controls to prevent China from leveraging U.S. technology.

Beyond economic impact, experts warn DeepSeek may pose significant data security risks, as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data. Unlike TikTok, which stores U.S. data on Oracle servers, DeepSeek operates directly from China, collecting personal user information. The app also exhibits censorship, blocking content on politically sensitive topics like Tiananmen Square. Some analysts argue that, as an open-source model, DeepSeek may not be as concerning as TikTok, but critics worry its widespread adoption could advance China’s influence through curated information control.

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The model isn’t afaik. I.e., if you download one of the models and run it locally. It’s the app with folks pasting proprietary, company secret, etc data into it.

Really, it’s the same problem as with ChatGPT, but now an organization in another country has your data. I guess we’ll see if our new techno bro overlords try to use this to their advantage across the board to limit competition, even from local processing.

Taking bets.

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I just find it amusing how when proprietary data/company secrets/whatever are being sent to openAI it’s a matter of “that was irresponsible don’t let it happen again” but some guy in Kentucky isn’t able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective without a little effort and it’s the end of national security as we know it.

Same with the tiktok ban. How many classified military secrets do we think some regular dude in a trailer in Alabama really has on his phone?

“National Security” in the US is literally just code for rich people’s bank accounts at this point.

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The War Thunder forum is a greater threat to “national security” than any of this AI whohash. Something, something, nickle…

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but some guy in Kentucky isn’t able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective

How about from the perspective of the pro-democracy protestors who were there? Don’t turn a brutal crackdown on people trying to gain some control of their lives and their country as an East vs. West problem.

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I’m not here to discuss the validity of Tiananmen Square, that was just the example I keep seeing used.

Why does it matter if one source doesn’t provide the official CIA story? You can look up how America views that event anywhere.

How is that censorship any worse than US tech companies blocking you from being able to say the word “Republican” in a negative context?

Also, you left out the most important part “without a little effort.” Deepseek will happily tell you anything you want about Tiananmen Square from any perspective you ask it with a little creative prompting.

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Same with the tiktok ban. How many classified military secrets do we think some regular dude in a trailer in Alabama really has on his phone?

Depends. Are there any military things in Alabama?

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3 points

Ever heard of Huntsville?

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An absolute fuck ton

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Well yeah, it’s obviously more of a risk to send directly to your rival than internally. Both are risky but one is much, much worse.

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And what exactly is the average person sending to China that’s such a threat to US global Imperialism?

Sure, ban it on government devices or whatever you want to do, but why should civilians be punished because the government can’t embezzle as efficiently?

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“Internally”

This guy really loves his oligarchs and their government haha

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No data is sent to servers if you run it locally.

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You can download the model.

If you download the app, though, yes thats going to their servers.

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