Comment by AppleTea@lemmy.zip on things are definitely different

Biden’s polling low, the voters want things do be different… huh, better campaign on doing nothing different! What? They’re saying we’re doing a genocide? Well, better point out that Trump is gonna do a worse genocide!

That’ll be a great message, exactly the sort of thing that makes people excited to vote…

Yeah, because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth … totally doesn’t devolve a democratic process into one of reactionary populisms fueled by false promises. If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park. If they have a shred of civil responsibility, they vote, specially when things were as bad as they were.

If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park.

Welcome to America!

If they have a shred of civil responsibility

lmao

That’s the thing, when most of society laughs at that, the chances of having any sort of democratic process work drop to nothing.

Americans have the most individualist “fuck you I got mine” ladder-pulling-upist culture in the entire world. Maybe someday we’ll have a cultural revolution and come out the other side less anti-social, but in the meantime if you want anything done in this country you’ve got to convince people that there’s something in it for them.

its as simple as this, if you don’t respect democracy, you don’t deserve democracy.

Go vote, or shut the fuck up and accept your fate, those are your two options. Don’t come crying to me when you realized you voted for a fucking loser. Make a better choice next time.

because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

If they have a shred of civil responsibility

Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

If they have a shred of civil responsibility

Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

Like not spamming the same comment multiple times and like realizing that the only but quite essential power you do have is choosing between the least worse candidate because the much worse candidate will go the complete autocrat route. I can’t believe how brainwashed some people continue to be to try to argue they have not just doomed Gaza, helped expand Guantanamo Bay, or have endangered people’s right while trying to use examples of how it could have been better as an “argument”.

Literally ALL the things you’ve mentioned could have been fixed by democrats, and 2/3 were actually electoral promises… I dont know how you expect people to keep voting for the lesser evil if the lesser evil is a deceptive and genocidal party

Because the alternative is much worse and arguments like yours are so far more deceptive that they are the Hail Mary of autocratic troll factories.

Just because you don’t get the choices you want or should have does not mean you should throw it away, and if what Trump isn’t proving that already, then you are either a dumbass or arguing in bad faith. People like you are far more responsible for Trump and as a consequence his actions than the voters you claim to hate.

It is perfectly possible to try to work to change a system from the outside that cannot be changed from the inside while trying to use whatever influence you have on the inside to prevent the worst aspects of it. Instead you choose play acting and then shaking off responsibility.

Well you clearly see it doesn’t work. Saying "there’s someone worse* CLEARLY doesn’t mobilise people to vote repeatedly against fascism. Almost as if, hear me out, fascism has never historically been beaten through electoralism. What we need is to organize in leftist communities and organisations, create dual power structures, protest hard and support labor rights, and struggle against fascism through direct action instead of voting once every four years.

Keep blaming the people who warned you that the democrat strategy of lesser-evilism wouldn’t work.

“Democrats didn’t entertain me enough so I didn’t vote.”

OP mentions genocide

Response frames it as entertainment

Yes. The party needs to be enticing. They lost an election. Shaming voters for not embracing lesser evilism is another mistake the party is making and you’re reproducing here.

At least twice now the party has believed themselves to be assured of victory because Trump is on the ballot. Now they may never have a chance to run again.

i mean, it’s also factually true. I still maintain that the dems ran a fairly good campaign. The problem was voter turnout, as it always is, except for 2020, when voting was easier.

Because democrats have an aversion to actually doing things for some reason (primarily age related)

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