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– and they both punch left; exactly as conservatives like to do.

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The liberals are still doing this in 2025. We shouldn’t really be surprised I spose.

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I consider tankies to be on the right end of the socialist spectrum, so when I say it I’m punching right. They’re still comrades even if they are miss guided by state-capitalist governments. Cheers

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lmao

anti-communism is always fascist. When you engage in “tankie punching” you engage in fascist anti-communism

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Sure. Never analyze or critique anything. Got U

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I think if you’re comparing “degrees” of left vs right, at that point you’re missing the forest for the trees. Ultimately, Anarchists and Marxists disagree on strategy and end goal, but both oppose Capitalism and Imperialism. At that point, there really isn’t a “more” or “less” left, there’s just differences in analysis and what must be done to get from A to B, as well as what B itself is.

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Agreed. I’ll come back to this when I’m not as busy. I made a simplistic argument and I’d like to expand on it. Cheers

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Cheers

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Personally I’ve found that bashing myself in the head with the book is just as effective as reading it

Cheerze

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Lemmygrad admin here. I normally don’t look at reports from other instances but for this I had to make an exception. Probably the dumbest shit I have read so far lmao.

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16 points

What did the report say? Lmao

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I love it when people call a transitional economy state capitalist because it betrays a lack of understanding of actually existing capitalism and the role the state plays in it.

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V I B E S B A S E D A N A L Y S I S

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Do you believe there has ever been a socialist state, even one?

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Yes. Russia from 1917 till about 1928. A slow, but through counter revolution took place.

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They’re still comrades even if they are miss guided

This is unironically the nicest and most reconciliatory anti-tank post I’ve ever seen. We have different assessments but neither of us are writing off the other as stupid or an LLM, which is actually a breath of fresh air. The bar for political discourse may be in hell these days, but I still appreciate your clearing it.

As for where our views diverge, I would like to understand the nature of the divergence. I guess my main question is: what decides your ideology’s position on the spectrum?

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Call it whatever the fuck you want. It’s working 100 million times better than this shit we’re doing. It’s lead to the most rapid increase of quality of life in human history for it’s people. Do you really think they care what you think about their government not being socialist enough?

Poverty is not socialism. To uphold socialism, a socialism that is to be superior to capitalism, it is imperative first and foremost to eliminate poverty.

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Because the Chinese state has fiat monetary sovereignty, it doesn’t function in the capitalist mode. It has no need to make a profit because it has infinite money[1]. It doesn’t need to extract surplus value from workers to satisfy investors, and it doesn’t even need to break even. The logic of capitalism doesn’t apply.

Ultras fear the scroll.

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If you’re one of those people who just considers “tankie” to be a synonym for “Marxist-leninist” then I suppose I agree, but I think the term is used too nebulously to meaningfully place on the political spectrum.

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