Capitalism only works on paper, it doesn’t take human nature into account
capitalism only works if you just really hate feudalism but also want to keep the rich people in charge which is what it was designed to do. In much the same way that the united states of America was only really created to form a singe legal entity to be responsible for sharing the debt of the revolutionary war accross the states and everything since is just mission creep
which is a large part of why the American constitution is so messed up and such a dysfunctional and stupid legal foundation of a country, the country wasn’t really designed with maintainability or long term existence in mind from the start
keep the rich people in charge which is what it was designed to do
Under capitalism didn’t the monarchs that were formally in charge lose power to the new capitalists though? For one, King George losing the colonies. I’m guessing a lot of the founding fathers probably were descended from feudal lords though.
Well George Washington wasn’t poor. The american revolution isn’t a great example though as on top of being a bourgeoise revolution it was a break away of a colony. Added to that the fact that British society was at that point primarily capitalist with feudalism having been gradually whittled away by enclosure.
Britain in general is not a good example of this as the transition from feudalism to capitalism didn’t happen in a clean one then the other switch but by a more gradual process and Britain still has feudal elements like the land largely being owned by the aristocracy, a monarch, and a legislative body with a power over which laws are passed with heritable seats for members of the aristocracy. That said the aristocracy weren’t what they were and many are flat broke. Britain is a complicated case study for my point here
The French revolution is a much better example as it was one group of rich people overthrowing the aristocracy and abolishing the traditional rights of the aristocracy because they were ideologically motivated to by liberalism and then proceding to establish a capitalist economy
(the socialist movement is in many ways recognisably older than liberalism for example the preaching of John Ball in the 14th century and was opposed to feudalism so in the french revolution and english civil war was noticably present in the anti feudalism movement but the movements themselves weren’t socialist) - like how socialists also revolted against the shah but the movement ended up being islamist not socialist
The same is true of many implementations of communism. The problem isn’t the system, the problem is people, and people try to corrupt the system to their benefit.
How has what I said got anything to do with liberal ideology? If anything, the implication of what I said is that we need more authoritarianism, in order to stop people fucking around.
The same is true of many implementations of communism. The problem isn’t the system, the problem is people, and people try to corrupt the system to their benefit.
People everywhere have always been exactly the same since the dawn of time. Mitochondrial Adam and Eve were literally McDonald’s franchise owners. I am extremely intelligent.
I mean, not to be glib. It does look like we are functionally then same as our recent ancestors. Like, hundred thousand years ago on the plains of Africa the homo-sapians there would be indistinguishable from any person off the street today after a wash and shave.
People everywhere have always been exactly the same since the dawn of time. Mitochondrial Adam and Eve were literally McDonald’s franchise owners.
Nothing to do with what I’ve said, but ok.
I am extremely intelligent.
Yes, you are!
The same is not true of implementations of communism. Socialist states at their best implement systems that encourage the natural human drives for cooperation and compassion, and in the two largest cases, China and the Soviet Union, it led to the fastest gains in quality of life in history
Socialist states at their best
And capitalism at its best does not distort the value of everything. Yet the people problem is so endemic that the value of everything is distorted.
Lmao, I literally read this exact same “argument” from a different user in a different thread five minutes ago.
You guys really need to come up with some new material.
I mean, in the the liberal west used violence to replace comunism with a right wing dictatorship. Yes.
However that isn’t really a flaw in comunist theory
Yes. Basically, any time someone tries to do something nice for everyone and introduce communism, some people or other come along and fuck it all up. Then they call their fucked up monstrosity “communism” to further damage the credibility of any meaningful progress.
Those people are the same people who fuck up capitalism and distort it for their benefit. Maybe it’s easier for them to do under capitalism, maybe that’s just what they’re used to and they don’t want to change, but if all you do is deal with capitalism as the problem then you’re still going to have a people problem with whatever comes next.
