Ranting, especially on work made by the community* is bad, i know but my frustration comes because it has not be like that. systemd is bloat, madness …

Linux has improved on so many front, is better than ever but this pile of crap is threatening everything.

*systemd is IBM, so not really community, so it’s fine :)

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Get out of the dark ages, real geeks use mechanical pencils! 😆

SystemD is life-changing all right, just not in a good way. I keep fighting with it though because I really like Debian.

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Debian will happily use sysvinit. It’s easiest to just switch to it at install time, but you can do afterwards too: Init

I’ve veen using it on desktops, laptops and servers without issue.

The more people who switch, the clearer the message that this choice needs to be maintained.

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I’ve used that before but generally just go with direct installations now instead of fighting it. However I have to wonder, if this is still a thing that actually works correctly in Debian, then why is Devuan a thing? There must be a difference in maintenance between them to justify the labor?

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I think Devuan split when it was still uncertain whether Debian would have init freedom. I’m running Xfce4, but I believe there were issues with Gnome being tightly tied to SystemD on Debian. It looks like that’s improving, but that Devuan has it all working. I guess the other issue is that Debian still don’t guarantee init freedom, whereas Devuan does.

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