Comment by pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee on A Reddit moderation tool is flagging ‘Luigi’ as potentially violent content

I’m actually so happy to see the start of the fall of Reddit. It’s been going on for a couple years or so, but it is happening.

It’s so ironic how a site with a leftist lean just chose to alienate their core base. I guess their hope conservatives and liberals staying will make up for it? Lol

Leftist lean is a bit of an understatement. It’s not just Reddit. In general, the radical left is being recognized for the violence and chaos they’ve spread over the last decade and the government is realizing they were left unchecked for too long.

Now they’re just being treated the same as the radical right.

We absolutely see lots of news about these violent communist uprisings. Definitely not something you’re imagining. Not at all.

Rights you probably take for granted were won by people blowing stuff up or attacking and even killing people.

Through war not chaos.

Can you elaborate please?

The rights I have today were gained through war, not through unfettered chaos.

No one rioted in the streets burning down buildings and looting them to give me my rights. My rights were given to me through wars that were fought. Organized, state in state violence, or organized state vs rebellion open conflict. The distinction is quite important.

As a centrist, I don’t see the radical left being courted by the president, so I think your comment is presenting a bit of a false equivalence, champ.

I’m a centrist too…

It’s crazy that a pendulum swings drastically back and forth isn’t it? Not a false equivalency if you have any understanding of historical geopolitics.

If you marginalize and de-platform an entire half of your voter base, and cancel people for taking a centrist stance, they’re more likely to band together against your cause, doing more harm long term than if you just toed a rational line.

IE. Because the right were treated the way the left are now being treated for so long, they were polarized and radicalized to the result of who your president is now.

Also, not American, this isn’t just an American thing. This is happening globally.

Can you name one person that got cancelled for taking a centrist stance?

Here is a great example of the “if you’re not with us you’re against us” mentality: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/28/centrism-insidious-bias-unjust-status-quo

Reasonable views being cancelled:

Bari Weiss: A former opinion editor and writer at The New York Times, Weiss is known for her centrist views, often critiquing both the far-left and far-right. In July 2020, she resigned from the newspaper, citing a hostile work environment and alleging that her centrist stances led to bullying by colleagues.

Example of extremes people will go to silence the moderates…

Stefan Gelbhaar: A member of Germany’s Green Party, Gelbhaar, associated with the party’s more centrist “Realo” wing, was forced to withdraw from the federal election race following false sexual harassment allegations. An investigation later revealed that the accusations came from a fictitious persona created by a local Green official, leading to internal tensions within the party.

I’d not be dismayed to see a bit of violence and chaos from the radical left but I’m struggling to think of examples - do you have some?

BLM, Pro-Palestine, George Floyd… three big ones that come to mind

You are gonna have a hard time around this here social media, comrade, with these clown takes…

There are better places for bootlickers out there

Better to be a wolf in a pack of coyotes, than a hare in a foxes stomach.

Okay, what violence did the pro-palestine movement spread, exactly?

I can accept that some buildings got torched and property values temporarily reduced during the George Floyd protests, but when I hear violence, I think harm against flesh and blood, which the police did much, much more of. I can’t think of many instances where the protestors did that.

How many people died in those?

Gotta say, I feel like being opposed to police brutality and a genocide seems kinda… non radical. As in it doesn’t seem extreme

The interpretation of whether that was police brutality or not, or a genocide or not are the exact things that are radical.

I mean I won’t open that can of worms too much deeper, and I’ll let this one lay down to rest

ROFLMAO. This bloke. Fucking Americans.

I’m not even American

Those just come off as regular left to me.

When I think of radical left I think tanky types who are full on nationalists and pro authoritarian governments that suppress free think that they are indistinguishable from the far right other than just differences when it comes to stuff like government assisted programs.

I wish I could find it, but I can’t remember which research paper I came across it for; however there is a routine survey and report that measures how Americans feel about core values over time with no changes in the questions, and what it’s shown is that conservatives have moved a little bit more right of centre on most issues, but that liberals have moved almost entirely to the far left.

The thing is, the whole point of liberalism is to consistently move the needle of progress. So it baffles me people fail to realize that today’s “normal” leftist ideologies a decade ago were those people you’re mentioning. But to someone who is still fighting those ideals and hasn’t changed their stance at all, they are still radical ideals.

This is unhinged. The so called “radical left” is largely a scapegoat for the people that currently run the government. The “radical left” isn’t going around shooting up synagogues and black churches. Even the one act of violence the “radical left” supports was committed by somebody who clearly was more of a “radical centrist”

Here in Canada they burned churches.

Also, leftist catch and release policy in Canada results in people with dozens of offences immediately put back on the street, and this has resulted in many murders, sexual assaults, continued violent crime by routine offenders. The weak on crime stance has resulted in massive crime increases here. Albeit not a political thing for the people doing the crimes, but a symptom of the policies.

Also, I think everyone is pro-Luigi if that’s the crime you’re talking about. Common ground for all

So what’s the evidence for policy driven crime rates? It appears violent crimes are level and other crimes are down at decades low? Am I missing something?

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/210727/cg-a002-eng.htm

The report by the actual department responsible for it. They’re definitely not level nor down, other than COVID blips which affect all stats everywhere for almost everything… Stats can often underreports:

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/ccrso-2022/ccrso-2022-en.pdf#page12

Neat summary and comparison of the trend:

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/crime-rates-canada-growing-faster-united-states#%3A~%3Atext=In+Canada%2C+from+2014+to%2Cincrease+of+49+per+cent.

Advocating for the death of all gay people is by no means the same scale of issue as the radical left.

I clearly missed something, who is doing that?

Source? That’s news to me

What violence and chaos has the radical left spread in the last decade, pray tell

Yeah man the radical left’s crazy violent agenda like… Free healthcare, and decent standards of living? No wait I mean the erosion of systems of inequality fuck wait no I mean uh labor rights and empowree workers wait shit no

I’m starting to think the radical let’s crazy agenda is actually far less violent than the status quo

Im Canadian, I don’t consider free healthcare radically left, or left at all really. There needs to exist some social supports, and healthcare is the bare minimum. We don’t go far enough here.

I see a radical as someone who uses extreme language, proposes violent actions toward instituting their ideals, or condones or excuses physical violence on others because of their ideals. Even using cancel culture, or ban culture are ultimately just attacks on freedom of expression to me and would be considered radical by this definition.

Well that was the most out to lunch comment I’ve read this week I think.

It’s becoming Facebook. A cesspool of people just reverberating off of each other.

At least on Facebook you practically always choose friends to add, groups to join, pages to follow, etc. A surprisingly large number of Reddit users just stick to the default subreddits.

IMO, Facebook is Only good for keeping track of your relatives you don’t feel like visiting.

Same. I know a few people on their I won’t or rarely see in person and I like to see what they’re up to in general life.

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