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equating oak leaves and a symbol with, once again, its own ADL entry

I keep bringing up those examples because you don’t seem to get the point that the thing is not a Swastika. But let me come up with another example, and as the ADL is not really the best source here let’s take the actual authority on the matter, the Bundesverfassungsschutz. Page 26, section 2.13, the Freiheitliche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, featuring its abbreviation “FAP” (sic) inside a cogwheel.

Does that mean that users of the Rust programming logo are now Nazis because letter in cogwheel?

And I can already anticipate the objection: The Rust community didn’t start out as a Nazi org. But then on the flipside Azov got denazified. If Rust did start out as a Nazi org, would we have to get rid of the cogwheel? Or does it get a pass because you can see it used in, among other places, socialist emblems?

You said it yourself, they didn’t do the right thing because they want the Nazis fighting for them.

I didn’t say that. In peace times it would have been the right thing, but Ukraine isn’t at peace, and not dissolving the regiment is necessitated by the war whether the reformed Azov ended up with 80% or 20% Nazis. (According to the Ukrainian state is was something like 20%, and not the really hardcore ones. Presumably also includes Strasserites and all kinds of stuff).

I do have reason to believe they’re just throwing a new coat of paint on the kubelwagon: they’re at war and they want command and control of the Nazi regiment!

Then why go through (enough) denazification to have swathes of Nazis leave?

Also, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with Nazis dying on the front. I fundamentally oppose them running through the streets intimidating people or worse, I oppose them in any legislative capacity, but I don’t mind them holding back an invader. What’s there to loose? They survive and we’re not worse off than before, they die, well, then that’s that.

Or, put differently: Would you support sending them to the front as a penalty battalion?


Bonus: The Verfassungschutz pdf, page 38, section 2.35. The fuckers appropriated the Antifa flags of all things. If you simply outlaw everything they’re using and everything that looks like something they’re using they’re going to appropriate absolutely everything to deny it to us. I wonder if the ADL will copy that one into their list, they’re not always known for having the best of takes.


And while I’m at it, page 82, translated:

The Wolfsangel was an identifying feature of the youth organisation “Junge Front” (JF), which was banned in 1982. Its use in connection with a banned organisation is punishable by law. Independent uses, e.g. in town and club coats of arms are not punishable.

1982. It took the symbol that long to even land on the list, presumably because only then did Nazis stumble across it while looking through SS division logos.

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You hear that everybody? The Nazi regiment can keep using their hate symbol! Yeah, because they denazified. How can we tell they denazified? They said so. Those are the rules. Who made the rules? The Germans, why? No we can’t trust the ADL. Who says? A German. No, they’re not on one of the .de instances, why?

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They said so.

If it was Azov which said it I wouldn’t even begin to trust it. But it wasn’t Azov it was Ukrainian state structures.

Who made the rules? The Germans, why?

Because we know where that shit leads and are on top of it. To be on top of it, we actually understand it and don’t simply play symbol association games.

No we can’t trust the ADL. Who says? A German.

That’s rather harsh. But they have had quite some blunders in the past. Heart in the right place but actionist kind of stuff.

A German. No, they’re not on one of the .de instances, why?

Civis europaeus sum.

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So you trust the ukranian state not to be fascist so much that you’ll take their word that there aren’t any Nazis over their actions of leaving the dogwhistle symbol and very well known name.

That’s going way beyond gullible, but if you’re willing to look past the ukranian states’ past actions and take it at its word who am I to judge? I mean, as a German you definitely have plenty of success and skill in recognizing Nazis and keeping them out of power: just look at nato and the frg of olde and afd etc today! Clearly Germans can recognize Nazis and effectively keep them out of power! What was I thinking suggesting that a German was being pedantic and providing a smokescreen for Nazis? There’s no systemic historical precedent for that!

Stop defending Nazis.

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Because we know where that shit leads and are on top of it.

yeah mate, germany is really on top of the neo-nazi problem, that’s why they only disbanded the (most) nazi ksk unit after they were blindingly obvious about it

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