Comment by diprount_tomato@lemmy.world on Not exactly helping the proles.

The fun part is that the democrats are neither

Didn’t the Democrats just get free pre k in Colorado? You NEVER see Republicans wanting to do this. I am sure Republicans right now are trying to stop this free schooling for kids that helps working class people.

Stop voting for Republicans. They are Un-American and not for our democracy.

You NEVER see Republicans wanting to do this.

Oklahoma, Florida, and Alabama not only already have it but the enrollment of students is higher than Colorado’s.

Fuck Republicans but your statement is inaccurate.

First, I’m not American and thus have an outside perspective of how shitty your politics are

Second, since when is having an opposition party against democracy? After all, you can only have one. If you removed the only opposition party you have you’d get the opposite of a democracy

You either vote for the Bad Party, vote for the Very Bad Party, or organize a coup to overthrow the government and install a political class which frees the US from the two-party system and maybe implements ranked choice voting too.

The third option seems kinda hard, so what you gonna do?

Third option. The easiest path is usually not the best

Last time that worked in a first-world country was over 200 years ago. And I’m pretty sure Louis XVI didn’t have 30% of the population hailing him as a god and putting his face on shirts.

You can organize and pull up a movement but I heavily doubt you’ll manage one big enough in the next 14 months, so what you gonna do at the election? Stay home and let Very Bad Party win, possibly strengthening the power of state military and making a revolution even harder?

First of all, I’d be eating popcorn on a couch while your country plunges into chaos, just like I’m already seeing your country tearing itself apart and rotting. Second, what does Louis XVI have to do with I suppose Trump? Why do you have to bring that two-parties bs? Do you get brainwashed as kids to swear allegiance to the two-party system?

Not my country either. Not very enthusiastic at seeing what is probably the least bad superpower in the world narrowing the gap with the others though.

I’ll spell it out for you: the French Revolution worked because pretty much the entire country was dead set on overthrowing the government. Current US is very different, you’ll never get all the population to band together because a large chunk of people actually like who’s in power (or has the potential to be). You (or rather, an American that thinks like you) have next to zero chance of changing the system with a coup, the best bet is still to keep voting the least bad candidate hoping that maybe one day someone actually good will show up.

Or maybe vote whatever third party you can to stop supporting this human centipede of a political system

That third option sounds like 4 steps forward, three steps back

Overthrow the government in order to… change just one thing about how the government works??

How about we overthrow the government, gut the whole thing and rebuild it with the proletariat in charge, and let it wither away once class is abolished

Changing the way future governments are elected is the most important thing. That way people can actually vote for what they like and not for what they dislike less.

Then once that’s in place stuff will definitely get better unless the whole country is stupid and reelects people who bring back the old system.

Not to mention, “the proletariat in charge” is a very utopic system and no country ever managed to successfully put it in place. The proletariat in charge of actually deciding who’s in charge is already more feasible.

You call revolution utopic. To me, what’s utopic is reformism doing anything but sliding back to where it started.

And yes, countries have successfully put it in place. The US sadly didn’t allow them to continue existing.

It baffles me that you don’t feel patronised when you’re told you have so much choice, when all you get to do is pick between two pre-chosen representatives of the ruling class. To choose which dick fucks you, but no choice in whether you’re fucked.

You call revolution utopic. To me, what’s utopic is reformism doing anything but sliding back to where it started.

~~…you don’t know what utopic means, do you?~~ Nvm I can’t read

And yes, countries have successfully put it in place. The US sadly didn’t allow them to continue existing.

Give me one example of a country that actually did that then. I’m curious.

It baffles me that you don’t feel patronised when you’re told you have so much choice, when all you get to do is pick between two pre-chosen representatives of the ruling class. To choose which dick fucks you, but no choice in whether you’re fucked.

…I’m literally saying that’s bad. Breaking the two-party system and implementing RCV is LITERALLY aimed at obtaining actual democracy instead of the farce we call so. But we don’t necessarily need communism to do that.

…you don’t know what utopic means, do you?

I can’t even imagine the depths of arrogance necessary to say this. You’re so convinced you’re right, so dogmatic in your belief that reformism is a realistic strategy, that your first response to a person doubting its possibility is to question their vocabulary. It’s almost funny.

Give me one example of a country that actually did that then. I’m curious.

The Chinese revolution achieved proletarian rule through the Mass Line.

…I’m literally saying that’s bad. Breaking the two-party system and implementing RCV is LITERALLY aimed at obtaining actual democracy instead of the farce we call so.

It’s aimed at it, but it will be woefully ineffective. Don’t get me wrong, if it’s proposed, I’d back it. I’m for the idea, not against it. But if you think the bourgeois state will allow a genuinely radical party into the system, you’re living in a dreamland.

But we don’t necessarily need communism to do that.

I’m not necessarily talking about communism.

I guess it could be done as soon as pigs fly

Wake up to the boot on your neck. That’s what’s whispering to you that change can’t happen.

Stop proselytizing me into your political religion, tankie

Mate I’m no tankie. Swing and a miss. I’m not proselytising, and I have no religion. It’s just sad to see people simply accept that things can’t change. Such a defeatist mindset.

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