cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/post/538685
No more duplicate posts
One of the things that the recent addition of the Feeds feature highlighted was how many cross-posts / duplicate posts there are. When you display posts from linux@lemmy.world, linux@programming.dev, linux@lemmy.ml, etc all the cross-posts make it get repetitive, really fast. The same thing happens on the home feed too although it’s a bit less obvious because there’s a wider range of subjects involved.
Except now, it doesn’t, because PieFed de-duplicates your feed! And your home page, and your topics. Attached to this post is a screenshot showing how it works out - an article posted to 7 different places is only shown once despite me having joined most of those communities.
We’re still figuring out whether it’s a good idea to merge all the comments from all the cross-posts into one page and how to do that in a way that respects the different culture/rules in the communities that the posts were made in. It’s a tricky UX and social question.
I’ve held off on adding a cross-post function to PieFed until now but it’ll be added soon.
Don’t get me wrong I am a huge fan of Piefed overall. I think you misunderstood my second point a little, I don’t want to be “exposed to new things” in my social media per-se, I want to read my chosen subscriptions (with my chosen social groups) and move on.
I see the “issue” of “divided” communities coming up a lot. But to me, the variety of perspectives and moderation styles on the same topic is a major benefit of the Fediverse (to the point I might describe it as its greatest strength) especially when it come to non-technical or social topics like politics. For example Lemmy.ca users are going to have very different perspectives about US politics than Lemmy.us (hypothetically). I’m not sure that it benefits those users to centralize the discussion (not saying that’s what’s happening exactly but it is something I see come up a lot).
I guess what I didn’t get is: doesn’t this new feature purely add, not detract, from someone’s capabilities?
So like, if you strictly wanted to read just the comments from the original community, then you could just stop at the gap where those comments end and the comments from another community begin - unless you are worried about FOMO due to seeing them and then feeling compelled to have to read them (all)?
Or if you wanted to read only let’s say half of the communities (but then all of the comments from each of those), then you can still do that? And now there are even two ways: to use the old method of accessing the cross-post menu and going to each community individually to read those, or the new way to hop and skip and jump all on just one page (this one admittedly isn’t so ideal just yet, without the ability to simply skip down to the next).
So, except for perhaps FOMO, what is being lost here? And isn’t this pretty niche, since someone can always just block the “bad” communities and never have to see them again, so that the difficulty here lies in both preserving them to show some but neither all nor none of them? That seems a more nuanced thing that isn’t likely to just spring up out of nowhere, as this initial feature did.
Well, it’s not like I’m even disagreeing with you there. Your suggestion does sound nice, and would be helpful to have.
Although I will say that I disagree that it will necessarily cause centralization of comments, or at least not entirely. For one thing you can respond to any comment, so this only affects top-level comments, and for another, subscriptions have those different implications on PieFed than on Lemmy, so e.g. I often do NOT subscribe to Lemmy.world communities such as politics or news, since that way they do not show up in my Subscribed feed - hence, all my top-level replies will be definition not be located there - and yet I can still see posts from these communities in the Topic/Feeds if I desire, and now I can also see comments from them.
Perhaps I’m just being a pendant - or I felt more like we were “exploring this space” verbally:-) - where what you are saying isn’t “necessarily” a given, and yet indeed this may encourage certain pre-existing trends, especially for those who aren’t forewarned or forearmed to resist them. And yet we still haven’t arrived so much at a (potential) “solution”, except to simply turn off the feature at the instance level, which will still allow those pre-existing trends to continue as they were, while also not helping with all the new things this offers such as helping people discover new communities, e.g. outside of Lemmy.world, that they probably had no idea even existed:-). i.e. yes there is a cost to this new feature, but there are also costs to not having it as well. And the costs to me seem small - bc again, someone can simply ignore all of these extra comments (except for FOMO?) and stop reading after the primary set, while if this feature did not exist then it would take a lot more time having to hunt through and read all of the comments from each community individually - which I used to do, which is why I’m saying that I LOVE this new feature!:-) But… maybe an option to disable it offered per user account would be sufficient to help improve it for you? If you can pin down something that doesn’t take a lot of effort, you could submit a feature request for that?
I had a response typed out but have a question, is this feature pulling in comment feeds from every community the instance is federated with? Or only from communities the individual user is subscribed to?
I checked: definitely the first one. Also another check: blocking does work to not show the comments, I checked both blocking all users on a particular instance and blocking a specific community, and in both situations those comments did not appear, though all the other comments did.
I can see how for some people it could be a good idea to switch to the second though, e.g. in the form of allowing a toggle, and yet allowing all also does facilitate community discovery, at the expense of exposure to less well moderated areas of the Threadiverse. Although I’m personally really enjoying seeing comments from communities that I choose to not appear in my Subscribed feed on the main page, so I would hate for your second way to become the default with no option to change it.
Overall I feel like the addition of this feature, while not perfect (your point about it being opt-out) is more of a “10 steps forward, half a step back” kind of thing, i.e. the advantages greatly outweigh the disadvantages, even though the true ideal would be to put the choice into the hands of the end-user, as PieFed does so exceedingly much of in so many ways, yet this feature is so very brand-new so not this one currently.
Edit: ultimately, the way it is now, the choice of which ones to show is primarily in the hands of the OP, who chose what communities to post the link to. Plus also if anyone else cross-posted it. A PieFed user can override that decision, but only by either blocking or ignoring (scrolling past) the comments that they do not want to see. This makes sense to me.
