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You’d have a good point if the ukranian state was doing some kind of gloryless Suicide charge with them. Based on all they’ve said they’re integrating the Nazi militia into the state to fight alongside normal people and become war heroes.

Stop finding excuses to defend Nazis.

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barsoap@lemm.ee

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1 year ago

If you’d send them only on suicide missions they wouldn’t cooperate. Still, each Nazi on the front is one non-Nazi not needed at the front.

As to heroes: Needs must. In Germany we’re nuking Nazis in the military from orbit, we’re also disallowing Nazis from fighting in Ukraine’s foreign legions, because we don’t want to have Nazis skilled in combat. That, however, is a secondary concern when you’ve got Russia invading you.

As to heroes the second: The likes of right sector are very unpopular, politically speaking, in Ukraine. There’s plenty of non-Nazi war heroes – another reason to not have Nazis fight alone, so that there’s no valour that they can earn alone. They won’t be able to capitalise on having fought.

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xXthrowawayXx [none/use name]@hexbear.net

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1 year ago

See this is why I keep pushing you.

Germany would never do what the ukranian state is doing, but they need every fighting man. Never mind the fact that ukranian doctrine has been combined arms warfare with relatively small numbers of soldiers so they’re not actually in a situation where numbers are a huge benefit.

The naziism is a serious problem and it’s good that azov “denazified” but also they’re not popular and it’s no big deal.

They can’t capitalize on having fought and aren’t gaining any standing, but azov was being lauded in the press as defenders of Mariupol.

You’re just saying whatever let’s you keep defending the Nazis.

Now it could be that you want to defend the ukranian state, but you don’t need to rush to its side every time. It can be making grave mistakes and doing the wrong thing by any measure and still be a state you support. Just don’t support the Nazis, that’s all I ask.

Take a page from the communists and limit yourself to critical support.

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barsoap@lemm.ee

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1 year ago

Take a page from the communists and limit yourself to critical support.

Take a page from Antifa and not call a huge organisation Nazi because there’s a couple of Nazis in there.

My main issue, here, from the beginning, has been you trivialising the term. You still do it, without reflection, in an attempt to win an argument on the internet. As if it was some two-sided partisan US politics or such.

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AcidSmiley [she/her]@hexbear.net

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1 year ago

The only sensible use a society can make of nazis is as catapult ammunition. You DO NOT, under any circumstances, want to give fascists actual combat training and military action. That’s how you get Freikorps after the war. Why would you want that?

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barsoap@lemm.ee

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1 year ago

Because read a bit more into the thread I addressed that. Right-wing bullshit is politically rather less popular in Ukraine than it was in WWI-era Germany. Context matters.

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