Speaking as a Canadian… Yes, we know.
You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.
That’s gone now. It’ll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.
And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.
Was it worth it?
Call his bluff.
Ya’ll are about the size of, and politically left of, California. 54 of 538 electoral votes. 52 of 435 members in the House of Representatives. You’d be another California.
You’re the last thing that the GOP wants involved in US politics.
If you hate Trump, you can drive a wedge between him and the GOP simply by reminding us that you have universal healthcare, and you intend to spread it.
There will be elections.
Whether we use touch screens or guillotines to cast our ballots is an unanswered question. But there will be elections.
No. I have zero interest in your apologies. Not you, not any American whose first instinct is to tell us how sorry they are. I’m sure you’re all wonderful people, but we’re well past the point where that matters.
I never, ever, want to hear the word “Sorry” from any of your lips while I’m living with the reality that people I love might die to American bombs and bullets. I am not obligated to assuage your fucking conscience by dignifying your apologies while you all sit around hanging your heads in worthless shame.
We do not want or need your apologies. We want your rage. Get angry. Get out in the streets. Fucking do something.
And when Trump is gone and every last fascist has been hunted down and your government is run like an actual democracy, and your voters have learned how to value and respect friendships with countries outside of your own… Then you can come to us and say sorry.
the simple truth is that 95% of these people are not able to immigrate, they aren’t wealthy, they aren’t skilled. No country would take them.
Immigration is a tedious process, Its a pipe dream for many. For a time I thought I would Immigrate to the UK when I was dating someone there, years later I realized I didnt have a chance in hell unless we were married. that was the only path that was available to me.
Honestly I’ve been worrying for years that the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up, possibly largely along red state/blue state lines, and hopefully not triggering a violent (or god forbid nuclear) civil war in the process.
But I can say as a Canadian, if it does come to that, and you guys can’t take back your country (which I really think you can, once you start to accept what is happening and accept that it’s gonna hurt and you dig your heels in anyway, I don’t think there’s anyone who will be able to take you down, not even Trump and crew), then we would be absolutely happy to quickly rebuild and strengthen our relationship with most of the blue states. And however you end up wanting to arrange yourselves in the end, we’ll work with that. And if you guys genuinely wanted our help, our resources, our logistical support, even our protection (what little we can provide), if things were to start looking like actual civil war, I’m sure we’d absolutely be willing to figure out what sort of arrangement is actually going to work. We’d have to at least initially discuss it as equals and as partners though, I don’t think we’d ask you or coerce you to give up your sovereignty, any more than we’d want you to take ours. But if the intention to join Canada was a popular attitude, I expect we’d be willing to consider it, probably after some cooling-off period though to make sure it’s not just a passing fad. The progressive parts of America are the parts we’ve always loved. If you guys come knocking on our door needing a couch to crash on we’re not going to ask how long you need to stay, we’re just going to go find pillows and blankets.
Same. I don’t honestly know how we recover as a country. Trump isn’t the cause, he’s a symptom. A tumour with a much larger cancerous problem underneath. At no point will the sane (and actual majority of us) roll over and become fascists. But at the same time, I don’t see how the third of the country that has gone full fascist suddenly regains their sanity and joins us.
The USSR’s goal was to divide us, and the Cold War never ended, it just went underground. There is a large part of me that is afraid at this point Balkanization is our future. But how we would we even get there without causing death and destruction?
But regardless of sentiments about losing faith in us (and I don’t blame those that feel that way, they are warranted) I do love you all who recognize that not all of us are the insane ones that make it on TV. We do still value our brothers/sisters/enbys to the north and are proud that we have a friendship unparalleled and the world’s longest undefended border. The world is a often a dark and scary place, but it’s friendships like these that make it worthwhile.
I appreciate you internet stranger.
You’ve put it very well. And as someone that lives in BC, I agree wholeheartedly.
the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up
No part of the US should be left to the fascists. They need to be crushed everywhere, in the US and globally. We are not going to sell out decent people in red states to be enslaved and oppressed just to make our lives easier.
Or, as the last decent Republican put it: the union must be preserved at all costs.
And this time we finish Reconstruction.
i honestly think that applies to most of the world: pretty much everyone will back the blue states, because the red states are friendless right-wing nut jobs compared to pretty much the entire west… and it’s not like china would come to their “rescue” - they probably dislike them more than the rest of us even!
Was it worth it?
Southerners: “Yes, but we get to abuse brown people again!”
I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we’ll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It’s not even that the US was “good” (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.
This administration is showing the world how poorly codified and vulnerable the US democracy is.
We learned that last time Trump was president that most of our country has been run on gentlemen’s agreements. It was news to a lot of us as well.
Yup. I joked that we’re still on Constitutional Republic version 2.27, and not only is the next point release long overdue, but we should really have upgraded to version 3 or 4 by now.
