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The American government platform. Don’t try to single out the Dems for this.

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Idk, I think the dems have a bit more culpability than people want to admit since they aren’t just committing the same war crimes as the republicans, but suppressing the opposition to it in their own party, too.

Not that republicans wouldn’t do the same thing if any opposition existed within their own base to begin with, but democrats are doing it even as they know their base actively resents them for it. That says something extra about their culpability.

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Maybe, but when they went too hard, he applied pressure. Trump offered to take over and help in the genocide (Middle East Riviera plan).

Democrats are not good, but unfortunately, those idiots are temporarily needed to dump out the fascists.

Politics in FPTP is a bit like a bus, and if you cannot get a bus where you need to go, get one in roughly the right direction.

The amount of “Genocide Joe” Lemmyers who helped cement genocide Trump are complicit in what is effectively a mass starvation. At least Biden tried to step in with supplies when Israel stopped last time.

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Biden gave zero genuine pressure to end the genocide. Instead of implementing a weapons embargo, he sent tens of billions worth of weapons used to prolong the genocide.

One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars

From the MEMO article:

The Biden administration allowed Israel unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive, despite the enormous death and devastation it inflicted on Gaza. Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.

Even the proposal to ethnically cleanse the entire population of Gaza, or ‘empty Gaza of palesinians,’ by removing them to neighboring countries, was first proposed by the Biden admin behind closed doors

The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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When Israel went too hard on siege he did try to step in. Not enough, but the attempted but failed aid pier was far more than Trump has done or would do.

Also, he pressured and got a crossing reopened “Within hours of Mr Biden’s call, Israel said it would open the Erez crossing in northern Gaza and the port of Ashdod in southern Israel to aid, and pledged to drastically improve security co-ordination with groups delivering assistance to Palestinians.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68773400

As I made clear, I’m not defending Biden or claiming he’s good. Thousands have died and I fear if the situation doesn’t change soon, I fear it could be a magnitude of 10 higher. Trump is showing zero signs of any pressure. If anything, he cheers Israel on. It absolutely disturbs me, that through resentment of Biden folks would rather see Trump stay in and have hundreds of thousands of more Gazans die through starvation.

I will say, those that keep propping Trump up are complicit in this. If starvation is happening and you don’t want change, you want this situation.

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Well this is 5 people. You cannot really compare these 5 with AOC for example.

The only way Trump goes is through Democrats right now. It’s unfortunate, but unfortunately a fact.

I’m not defending Dems or think they are good, but it is the only realistic play right now.

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