Time is on the side of the Russians in Ukraine and the Chinese on pretty much anything else when it comes to confronting the US empire.
But ever since the ceasefire in Lebanon and the fall of Assad I can’t help but feel that the Palestinian cause is getting worse every day. No one is lifting a finger for them except the Yemenis and it only seems that the Zionist fucks are getting closer to their objectives.
Civil war in “Israel” when? True Promise 3 when (lol)?
It doesn’t help that some of the loudest voices cheering for Assad’s fall where Palestinians and that sectarism is strong against Shia’s…
First they committed genocide on Ukranian school children, and I did not speak out—because I didn’t want Victoria Nuland and Geoggrey Pyatt to laugh at me.
You are swallowing a narrative that was crafted to get you to support the West’s actually existing imperialist project. Yes, you actually should understand the context of this war, even if that means that Russian atrocities are also going to be put in context and complicate your feelings about it. If your position is to sit by the sidelines and condemn any state actor because states are oppressive/expansionist/monstrous then you’ve maintained a moral high ground that you’ve eliminated any chance to turn into a project for actually advancing a political goal.
The Western imperialist bloc must be stopped. That requires the cooperation of everyone in the world that understands the true nature of imperialism to contribute in the struggle against imperialism. When Mao fought against the Japanese imperialists alongside Chiang Kai Shek, he had to make a moral compromise that was necessary to actually achieve the goal, to liberate China. Modern day anti-imperialists are no different.
You are swallowing a narrative
With respect, I am not. My stances on the imperialist project in basically every other sphere (especially the Middle East and Sputh America) are incredibly skeptical and critical.
But what appears to be confusing everyone is I choose to apply those same standards and lenses to everyone
Yes, you actually should understand the context of this war, even if that means that Russian atrocities are also going to be put in context and complicate your feelings about it.
Exactly, thank you. I think the “if the USA is involved its always the invading force” bothers me so much because it wipes away that cognitive dissonance with delusional dogma.
If your position is to sit by the sidelines and condemn any state actor because states are oppressive/expansionist/monstrous then you’ve maintained a moral high ground that you’ve eliminated any chance to turn into a project for actually advancing a political goal.
I assume this is a hypothetical “if your position is” and not an accusation, because I totally agree.
I do not sit on the sidelines, Ukraine has a full and complete right to defend itself. (As does Palestine, as does (did) Hong Kong, as does any sovereign nation who is not the aggressors and who’s boldest demand is a return to previously agreed upon boundaries from before the invasion.
The Western imperialist bloc must be stopped. That requires the cooperation of everyone in the world that understands the true nature of imperialism to contribute in the struggle against imperialism.
We remarkably agree on the premises here. It’s surprising to me we go so opposite to each other.
When I look at the Russian Ologarchs and all the people falling out of windows and that they all have bank accounts in the same offshore places that Western bourgeois were showing up.
If you are open heartedly telling me that Putins Russia is an ally on eliminating inequality and distributing capital back to the producers then I don’t get where that is coming from.
When Mao fought against the Japanese imperialists alongside Chiang Kai Shek, he had to make a moral compromise that was necessary to actually achieve the goal, to liberate China. Modern day anti-imperialists are no different.
China and Russia are highly different beasts.
Is it your genuinely held belief that Putin is making the right compromises in the right places to liberate Russia?
Setting aside Russia’s moral right to the invasion, let’s look at their economy since. It’s tanked! Are you really suggesting that the Ukraine war was a strategically sound idea?
Exactly, thank you. I think the “if the USA is involved its always the invading force” bothers me so much because it wipes away that cognitive dissonance with delusional dogma.
The reason I agreed with that comment is because, even though it’s not absolutely true and as you correctly point out, it leads to a dogmatic and oversimplified view of history, it actually is correct in the current conjuncture. The US is the sole world hegemon. It is the culmination of imperialism, a monopoly power that holds complete financial dominance on the world stage. 80% of international financial transactions are in dollars. In the broad arc of history, US financial and military hegemony (which are in direct contact and dependence with each other) is currently the motive force of world history. Not an atom moves in the international stage without the US having somehow put it into motion because the US is world hegemon, that’s what world hegemony means.
Read back to the Leninist definition of imperialism.
If you are open heartedly telling me that Putins Russia is an ally on eliminating inequality and distributing capital back to the producers then I don’t get where that is coming from.
They obviously aren’t allies in the strategic goal of the left, to defeat capitalism and institute socialism. But they are tactical allies in demolishing the hegemonic power of Western finance capital, yes. The individual capitalists behave as individual capitalists always do, protecting their financial interests in the short term. But the actual motive forces of the Russian national interest lies, momentarily, in the same direction as the interests of the global working class: in the fight against imperialism.
Ultimately the reason I’m completely opposite to you, despite having a lot of the same principles (which I respect you for, you’re miles ahead of the vast majority of liberals) is because to me, imperialism is a historical phenomenon that exists within the context of the material relations between the ruling classes and the working classes. I’m thinking the USD, US treasuries, international debt owed to the US, the IMF, World Bank, etc. Meanwhile it appears that your definition of imperialism is something a lot more metaphysical and general, that I would argue is actually fruitless to fight against without identifying that expansionist tendencies are inherent to the nation-state.
Setting aside Russia’s moral right to the invasion, let’s look at their economy since. It’s tanked! Are you really suggesting that the Ukraine war was a strategically sound idea?
Absolutely. The alternative was to allow Ukraine to join NATO and continue being encircled by hostile fascist governments (see Georgia coup, baltic states, etc). When the threat is existential, sacrificing economic stability in exchange for continuing to exist is a sound decision.
Also, and I don’t think Putin had this in mind, it turned out to be a good idea to decouple from the world economy which was about to be completely trashed by Trump in 3 years after the invasion. Funny how that worked out.
I do not sit on the sidelines, Ukraine has a full and complete right to defend itself. (As does Palestine, as does (did) Hong Kong, as does any sovereign nation who is not the aggressors and who’s boldest demand is a return to previously agreed upon boundaries from before the invasion.
Did Russia have a right to defend itself against being completely surrounded by an adversarial military alliance? They had warned the West for years that they would never allow that to happen, but the West kept pushing it despite earlier “promises” not to do so. The West didn’t care because they’re willing to fight to the last Ukrainian for their own gain. Had Ukraine chosen to be neutral and said “no, thanks” to NATO, they wouldn’t have been invaded.
You’re not distinguishing between a truly imperialist country that invades other countries completely unprovoked (see US invasion of Iraq for just one recent example) versus a country that invades another purely as a defensive, strategic move (Russia -> Ukraine/Georgia).
Aside from that, saying that Ukraine has a full and complete right to defend itself makes sense only in an ideal world, but not in a real world where it is placed right next door to an 800 pound gorilla. Would Canada or Mexico be completely within their rights to join a full military alliance with Russia and/or China? Absolutely. Would there be a positive outcome for their country and its citizens if they tried? Absolutely not. In a situation like that, neutrality or even outright support for the gorilla next door is the completely rational approach to take.
Edit: minor changes to one sentence in the last paragraph.
Look at history. Usa hasn’t been invaded yet. Usa has been in thousands of conflicts. Either they stoked the conflict, or they were directly the aggressors. They are ALWAYS at fault. And if it wasn’t them, it was their lackeys. And where do lackeys get their orders from? From usa of course.
