Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett triggered fierce backlash from MAGA loyalists after forcefully questioning the Trump administration’s top lawyer and voicing skepticism over ending birthright citizenship during a heated Supreme Court argument.

Since taking office, Donald Trump has pushed for an executive order to end birthright citizenship, a constitutional guarantee under the 14th Amendment that grants automatic U.S. citizenship to anyone born on American soil.

During oral arguments, Barrett confronted Solicitor General Dean John Sauer, who was representing the Trump administration, over his dismissive response to Justice Elena Kagan’s concerns. Barrett sharply asked whether Sauer truly believed there was “no way” for plaintiffs to quickly challenge the executive order, suggesting that class-action certification might expedite the process.

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That’s not what happens. If you’re nationless the fact is that any country may abuse you and no country will stand up for you. It’s a very powerless position to be in. To say “aha, but your laws don’t apply* is wrong (laws apply to everyone in the country except those with diplomatic immunity, which is the opposite of being stateless) and has a"sovereign citizen” flavor about it.

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That’s the literal definition of jurisdiction.

ju·ris·dic·tion /ˌjo͝orəsˈdikSHən/ noun

the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.

The United States can only enforce its laws on those that are within its jurisdiction. It’s exactly the same as entering a foreign consulate or pulling over a foreign diplomat. There is literally nothing they can legally do to them.

To your point, if they ever chose to leave, they would never be allowed re-entry.

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You are wrong

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Compelling argument.

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You’re right that the USA can enforce laws only on those under its jurisdiction. But its jurisdiction extends to everyone in the USA, citizens or not. If I travel to the USA and commit a crime there, I can be arrested, tried and imprisoned in the USA unless the USA decides to deport me instead. If I’m imprisoned in the USA and my home country has an extradition treaty with the USA, my home country can decide whether it wants to go through a diplomatic process to get me returned. If I don’t have a home country (being stateless), that chance doesn’t exist. And if they don’t try to get me returned and the USA doesn’t deport me, I’m stuck in a US prison.

The same applies in other countries. When you are in a country you are under that country’s jurisdiction, meaning that the laws of the country apply to you and you can be handled by the judicial system accordingly. Every sovereign nation has the legal authority to make and enforce laws within its territory, and this authority applies to everyone physically present, not just its citizens. This principle, that a country’s laws apply to everyone in the country, is why “sovereign citizens” are basically mistaken when they claim to be beyond the law’s reach, and it’s why tourists don’t have license to go on a crime spree.

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That is correct. My point is if they argue that clause of the 14th Amendment about being “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” they would effectively make them legally untouchable.

There’s no way to interpret the 14th Amendment to accomplish what they want to accomplish.

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Maybe you’re technically and logically correct (I don’t know enough to say) but they could and would still arrest them regardless and there’s not much that can be done about that. A private citizen that’s stateless is de-facto defenseless against the government while a diplomat is backed by an entire government.

The UN is supposed to help prevent citizens from being rendered stateless as well, but it happens in smaller countries regardless. If the US does it, unfortunately I don’t see the UN doing enough to stop it.

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My point isn’t about what the government would do to them regardless of the law. It’s that SCOTUS cannot interpret the 14th Amendment in that way without deeming those individuals to be outside the jurisdiction of the United States, making it an entirely problematic interpretation.

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