I completely agree with you, I feel like this about all nu trek. Star trek enterprise was the last star trek that was star trek and anything produced since has been star drek.
I tried watching the dumb pew pew movies I really did. They are ALL godawful and have nothing to do with star trek.
I tried watching STD, I really did. I dropped out somewhere S2 in disgust.
I tried watching Picard, I really did. They ruined Picard and data. Then they ruined Guinan and Q. Then they ruined the entire TNG cast.
I stopped watching star trek, all of it, for a long time now because of that shite.it used to be my most favorite show, I have dozens of books, miniature ships, games and whatnot.
I switched to the Orville. It started as a sort of parody and then accidentally or not became the best trek made in the past 20 years
Have you watched lower decks or strange new worlds? Strange new worlds is in my opinion easily the most “star trek” of the newer shows and I think it’s excellent. Lower decks is obviously a cartoon but it too manages to somehow feel more like star trek than discovery and often Picard and it’s just a lot of fun and seems to be self aware enough to make it silly while still feeling like Star Trek.
The orville is also great and great star trek, too bad it’s very likely not returning for more.
Nope, and not going to. Why? Because I was told the same about the new trek movies. They. Sucked. So badly. I was told the same about discovery. It was cringe bad, hateful, spiteful, it was horrible. Then I was told the same about Picard. And hey, it’s Picard, this MUST be like TNG, right? RIGHT?
Picard was godawful. Season one ruined Picard and Data. It ruined seven of nine. It ruined Starfleet, it ruined the federation. Picard is now a bumbling old man who gets put in his place by women because … I dunno. Sheer fucking hubris ! Because that’s how we talk now in star trek. Season two managed to fuck over Guinan and Q and the Borg. It was aweful. All built up history is just optional now, just ignore every, do what we want just so we can tell vapid dumb stories. Then. Season three… The entire cast of TNG. All ruined. Beverly, who once disobeyed an order to help a terrorist is now a black ops cold blooded killer or something, whatever…They ruined the fucking enterprise herself. And the entire Borg thing (thanks for ruining it twice in a row) and the sad sad changeling storyline…
I’m done.
Star trek was important to me, it shaped my life, it made me who I am today. Believe me, I try to be a better guy every day because of star trek. Classic trek, that is.
That’s why it is pissing me off so much that nu trek has been treated so piss poorly by people that didn’t know trekz didn’t care about it, and just wanted to used it as a platform for their political stance. You’ve fucking ruined something great and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Edit: “you” meaning paramount, and instill have hopes that the Orville will come back but please no more season3 crap, they too went the nu trek way with loads of CGI pew pew and vapid stories
In fairness, voyager ruined the Borg, not Picard.
Also not really sure about that whole being put in his place by women comment… Is it just that you feel he was put in his place at all, or that it was a woman who did it? Cause if it’s the latter…
Anyways I feel that would be a mistake not to at least give SNW or lower decks a try as you never actually know until you try, but I’m not going to sit here and try and convince you beyond saying what I already have if you have already made up your mind. Then again, it’s probably a good idea if things being different upset you this much. All the best.
And don’t worry I know you didn’t mean that I personally ruined star trek.
I haven’t watched Lower Decks or Orville, but Strange New Worlds and Picard.
Whilst I do think, Picard sucked and I do like SNW, I am not praising the latter as apparently the entire fandom.
Well produced, written, directed and played, indeed, but, until now, truly tame and unbold to change expectations. Good entertainment, but hardly anything more.
Discovery was better than it was received, and DS9 is, for me, still the best ST ever made.
The orville is a lot of fun. Feels a lot like TNG but modern and with some humor thrown in. Though the most recent (likely last) does away with most of the humor in favor of a bit more serious, almost movie like stories.
I do agree that discovery is not as bad as most make it out to be, same with Picard, and I actually really enjoyed season 3 of Picard.
I think I just like SNW so much because it’s just that, kind of tame, low stakes, it just feels like trek to me. Not every episode or season needs to be some ultra serious galaxy ending threat.
Lower decks is just fast paced silly fun.
