Software are so behind in versions

posted 1 year ago

Software	Latest	Fedora Version	Pop! Version
----	44.0	44.1	42.0
Gnucash	5.3	5.2	4.8
GIMP	2.10.34	2.10.34	2.10.30
------	1.3.1	dnf 1.3.1	1.3.0
Firewall Gufw	22.04	N/A	22.04.0
~~Timeshift~~	Master.mint21 (Mint)	dnf 22.11.2	21.09.1
	22.06.6 (TeeJee)
KeepassXC	2.7.6	2.7.6	2.6.6
			affected by CVE-2023-35866 (upto 2.7.5)
Libreoffice	7.6.0 (fast adopter)	7.5.5.2	7.3.7.2
	7.5.5 (LTS)
Popsicle	1.3.1 (github)	AppImage 1.3.1	1.3.2
PDF Arranger	1.10.0	1.10.0	1.8.2
Virt Manager	4.1.0	4.1.0	4.0.0
Videos (totem)	44.0	43.0	42.0
Nautilus	44.0	44.2.1	42.6

I am “not” using Flatpak on Pop!

Most of the cases, those software are from Ubuntu repositories… would Pop!_OS consider building their own, or as some other people mentioned, rebase on something else?

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Michael Murphy (S76)@lemmy.worldM

3 points

1 year ago

See the code of conduct on the side. Criticism must be constructive. This is not only false, but ridiculous. Half of my hours are spent on Pop!_OS packaging and community.

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Defaced@lemmy.world

-4 points

1 year ago

Fair enough, but why is pop_os almost two full OS releases behind Ubuntu?

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Michael Murphy (S76)@lemmy.worldM

3 points

1 year ago

Do you not know what LTS is?

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humanenough@lemm.eeOP

0 points

1 year ago

is pop going to base on Lts moving forward, like mint, or its too early to say?

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Defaced@lemmy.world

-2 points

1 year ago

Mint is based on LTS and they release two versions a year and update their package base. I respect what the pop_os guys are doing, which I guess includes you, we need more modern DE’s besides gnome and KDE. I know what LTS is, it’s just odd that you guys haven’t updated pop_os for over a year, and the last time I used an OS that did the same thing, Solus, the whole project went to shit. I’m on endeavourOS now, but I’ve been keeping an eye on the progress of cosmic hoping to see an updated version of pop because I genuinely love the style and look of the OS. If you’re updating packages and keeping up to date on as many packages as possible then I definitely retract my original post.

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MikeT@lemm.ee

3 points

1 year ago

Pop is semi-rolling distro, they don’t need to release “point updates”, they’re not behind Ubuntu at all.

It is not the same 22.04 build from two years ago. It’s using the same Ubuntu 22.04 LTS baseline and updates whatever they can with their own repos overwriting Ubuntu, such as mesa, kernel, and drivers. Every updates released to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS repos is made available to Pop users as well.

I just got an update on Pop for kernel 6.4.6 yesterday. Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS is the most recent update and it only uses 5.19 kernel.

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Michael Murphy (S76)@lemmy.worldM

2 points

1 year ago

What are you talking about? We update Pop!_OS constantly. You’re effectively saying all the work I and the QA team do each week is non-existent and pointless. There’s a person regularly creating posts with package updates from our pop-os/repo-release repo. There are updates from last week that will be released this week.

Our ISOs are rebuilt every week or so to include all of the changes. Therefore we release ~30 “versions” of Pop!_OS each year. Which is required to ship new System76 products, as they contain the latest hardware on the market at time of release.

So once again, LTS means Long Term Support, which means it actively gets updates for a long time. In this case, until 2031. Security updates from Ubuntu, and various system updates from us that’s similar to a rolling release.

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Krahos@lemmy.world

1 point

1 year ago

I think most people only look at the gnome version when talking about updates. Then if their distribution ships a year old kernel version they don’t even notice. System 76 is taking care of the user experience from the hardware to the software, a bit like Apple does, but in an ethical way, using free software and even open sourcing hardware. I’ve been running pop since I discovered it (in 2018 i think) and at this point I’m probably biased, but i think its quality is unrivaled. I really hope the release of cosmic will help you conquer all kinds of users, since, as we said, people only look at the desktop environment. About the rebase, ubuntu started stinking and some people won’t consider ubuntu derivatives, it’s just a perception thing. I see a rebase as a marketing move more than anything, but the return on the investment is probably not there.

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Defaced@lemmy.world

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1 year ago

That’s great, then I stand corrected. I don’t use pop on a regular basis so please don’t think I’m trying to insult your work, simply stating the perception from the outside. Clearly that’s not the case and I’m in the wrong. I also didn’t know you rebuild the ISOs every week as again, I don’t use pop regularly.

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