Lemdro.id

51 points

1 year ago

The Vietnam War? You mean the one where a rebel faction backed by Russia rose up against a smaller, recently established pro-Western government, and the US came to the defense of that government, because if they lost the enemy would surely keep expanding more and more across the entire region, and all the peace advocates were dismissed as supporting appeasement? That Vietnam war?

Yes, we take a similar position on that as we do to this, do you?

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1 year ago

Vietnam was opposing a puppet government imposed by the US.

The Ukrainians opposed a Russian puppet government in 2013.

Do you support both Vietnam and Ukraine?

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45 points

1 year ago

I support both the Vietnamese fighting against the South Vietnam puppet government and the Ukranians in the DPR fighting against the current Ukrainian puppet government, yes (though my support for the latter is more critical since they’re not communists)

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1 year ago

You did not answer my question.

Did you support the Ukrainians rebelling against their government back in 2013. Or do you only support a side if that side happens to oppose the US?

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37 points

1 year ago

I disagree that the previous government was a puppet government.

My political aims go against the interests of the US, so generally groups that are aligned with my aims oppose and are opposed by the US. I don’t believe in judging every conflict as a disinterested third party with no consideration of past events or present conditions. The US has a long history of installing far-right governments, has an atrocious record of human rights, and violates sovereignty left and right, and that is relevant to who I support.

I do believe in giving critical support to just about anyone who’s willing to disrupt the unipolar world order in which the US has license to act as a rogue state. I want everyone involved in starting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to face a war crimes tribunal and be shot or hanged, and I support things that bring us closer to that goal. You, on the other hand, want to keep blindly trusting those same people to tell us who our enemies are. The only way to put any check on the US’s rampant militarism and aggression is through a multipolar world order.

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1 year ago

I disagree that the previous government was a puppet government.

Of course you do, that’s my point.

Tankies will support whichever government aligns with a power that is not the US. Even if that power is a capitalist oligarchy like Russia.

The US has a long history of installing far-right governments, has an atrocious record of human rights, and violates sovereignty left and right

They do, but the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

Specially when you take into account what Russia has done. They have a long history of erasing East European cultures (i.e. Russification), and genocide. So I do not trust them when it comes to Eastern European affairs, and neither do native people from those countries, most of support for Russia in those areas comes from Russian minorities (I wonder how they got there).

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1 year ago

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1 year ago

Of course you do, that’s my point.

Great argument.

They do, but the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

Of course they’re not, and I don’t consider them as such. They are, however, the enemy of my enemy. Ideally, once the US is dealt with, Putin can get the wall next.

They have a long history of erasing East European cultures (i.e. Russification), and genocide. So I do not trust them when it comes to Eastern European affairs, and neither do native people from those countries

The US has a much worse historical record with genociding native people, so maybe Russia should support some landback movements in the US. Afaik they never did anything to the Native Americans.

I’m not sure what genocide you’re referring to in any case. But I’m sure you can dig up some skeletons in the closets of any two historical neighbors if you go far enough back. What’s funny about your argument is that you seem to be suggesting that people thousands of miles away are better suited to govern a region, since they likely don’t have a similar record.

(I wonder how they got there).

Are we just going to ignore the part where the USSR expanded Ukraine’s borders to include the disputed regions?

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29 points

1 year ago

Those were violent right-wing militias, not peaceful protestors. Did you support the people rebelling against the US government on January 6th? Because that’s a genuinely analogous position to supporting the Maidan coup.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

2 points

1 year ago

Ukraine’s parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

How is this in any shape or form analogous to the Jan 6th?

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29 points

1 year ago

Euromaidan was far worse. Watch Oliver Stone’s Ukraine on Fire.

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29 points

1 year ago

In both cases the rioters sought to overturn the democratic election of a president, and in both cases they did so by storming the legislature. The difference is that the Maidan coup was successful. (Perhaps because of significant US support for it?)

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