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68 points

We really need a compelling alternative to the Play Store, both as users and developers.

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In what ways do the existing alternatives fall short of compelling?

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Can you elaborate on “limited”? Surely that is what we want. One of the problems with the Play store is certainly not that it does not have a wide enough selection, but rather that it is full of harmful, hostile, dangerous, exploitive software. Any solution to that problem is necessarily going to limit (or one might prefer to say curate) its contents. That is exactly why I use F-Droid. It is limited to software that is not trying to hurt me.

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Can I get my banking app on F-Droid? How about my home security system app? How about a dozen other apps that I want or need, and can’t be replaced by loading a website in Firefox?

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This is entirely on the companies. There’s no technical reason or requirement for this happening.

Fdroid works great and is the most likely thing to be adopted, in my opinion. It’s easy enough for anyone to spin up their own fdroid server and distribute their own app.

If you’re wanting to use a new store, you’re going to have to wade through the growing pains of adoption. It’s just a fact of life.

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There are in fact banking apps and home security apps on F-Droid.

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Wait, I assume if you install a banking app through Aurora it still works? Totally fair if that doesn’t work for your needs (you kinda need a google account, even if a blank one, to have it work right now) but I assume installing apps through it doesn’t limit them or make them less functional for having been installed through Aurora?

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85 points

F-Droid

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Yeah, I have it, but I can’t install 3/4 of the apps I use on a daily basis from there.

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Wouldn’t that be the same for any other alternative? That’s what a monopoly does.

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It means 3/4 of the apps you use aren’t free software which is not an issue with F-Droid.

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The security model or lack of same concerns me.

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That’s valid. In theory, because you’re downloading open source on there, you could audit the apps you download, but don’t know anyone who does that unless it’s their job.

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19 points

I would prefer to see a wider embrace of PWAs.

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This is what really, really pissed me off about the iPhone. When it launched and they gave it a desktop-class web browser engine and told people they were going all-in in PWAs (though I don’t think the term existed at the time). Then v2 came out and they went sike! native apps, must be developed on our PCs, must be distributed by us, you must pay us to be allowed to develop, we take a cut of your income, and we’re going to cripple the PWA engine to make universal, open apps all but unusable.

Dicks.

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3 points

Can PWAs perform just like native apps when it comes to smoothness and optimization?

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Is there any way of “installing” PWAs to the app drawer rather than been limited to a shortcut on the home screen?

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Depends on the PWA, if they have the manifest setup properly it should give the option by itself and even the add to desktop button should change to install the app, but very few sites support it (among the ones I use)

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I’d probably agree if I didn’t work as an Android developer. :-)

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You can build webapps in kotlin :)

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7 points

Aurora store worked well but google got their way recently

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7 points

It still works, you just need to search for things in the browser then open the links with Aurora

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I wish someone would make a companion app that handles this automatically

I’d love to do it but I have no knowledge about kotlin. However, I’m still down if someone has a solid plan

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8 points

Accrescent is in early alpha, but it looks like it’s on its way to be a great, modern app store.

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3 points

checked it out and it needs a lot of time to become a proper competitor

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The only hope here is that EU will force google to allow other stores.

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Since when are third party apps disallowed?

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We’re talking about stock android having 3rd party app store with permissions to install apps in the background. Yes, you can install f-droid but on a stock android it can’t update apps automatically. It’s not an alternative for normal users. And as long as 3rd party stores are not used by normal users app developers will not care about publishing apps there. What needs to happen is that EU needs to force google (and apple) to allow alternative stores, some heavy weights have to support it and developers need to start publishing apps there.

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