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    “Even after a judge required ACS to reunite Ms. Rivers with her baby, ACS continued to subject Ms. Rivers to needless court proceedings and a litany of conditions that interfered with her parenting of TW for months, while the unlawful removal of her baby was ratified by senior ACS leadership,” the complaint reads. “This was not because ACS was trying to protect TW; this was because Ms. Rivers is Black.”

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Of course.

The government should not punish ‘bad’ behavior.

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Elaborate please. Are you saying there should be no laws, or no punishment for breaking laws, or something else?

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The government should punish lawbreaking behavior. The government should not punish behavior deemed ‘bad’ by you or by me, unless that behavior is illegal.

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It sounds like you’re just not familiar with how CPS works, no offense. If a child is being subjected to an unsafe situation they can legally remove a child, whether the conduct rises to the level of illegal conduct or not.

Medical professionals are mandatory reporters (I’m not sure if that’s the same legal term in NY, my experiences with CPS have been with several other states). That means they are legally required to notify CPS if they see or THINK they see evidence of abuse. Allegations must be investigated before being acted upon.

I can certainly see why you don’t like the fact that the hospital tested the baby for marijuana but if it means they need to modify treatment of the baby they absolutely can do that. Testing the mother may be different, like I said I don’t have experience with the NY system.

In short it sounds like you are just not familiar with the standard processes of CPS and are actively interpreting everything in a negative way.

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The cops can’t arrest you for being a shitty person, only for breaking laws decided by Congress.

Are you from Russia or something?

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No they can’t, but CPS can remove a child for all kinds of abuse that doesn’t rise to the level of illegality, it’s like that in every state in the US.

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The government does punish when you purposefully harm someone though.

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No, the government does not punish people, at least not legally, who purposefully harm someone, unless said harm is illegal.

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Child endangerment is explicitly a crime.

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in a liberal, enlightened country, the State does not ‘punish’ as such behaviour is strictly against the values of enlightenment.

the consequences for a crime aren’t a ‘punishment’ in order to create ‘justice’, but instead a ‘deterrent’ designed to deter you from doing whatever the society agreed was undesired.

i recommend ‘enlightenment now’ by steven pinker as a great read about the ideology of enlightenment and why it’s important to keep for the future.

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LMFAO no it doesnt. It punishes you when you illegally harm someone

Lots of people raise their kids to be dipshits every single day

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I don’t know the details and I don’t want to judge, but if what op says is correct (the baby had measurable level of thc), the government is not punishing the mum, it is trying to protect the child. Thc while growing has been proven to affect brain development.

If the government is actually able to help… That I don’t know. I hope they are funded and competent enough

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If the mother has shown before the baby is even born that she is unable to make changes to her lifestyle for the good of the child’s health, do you think she is likely to now it’s born. There’s a very real chance that leaving he child with her will result in a bad out come for it as it grows up.

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