I never shut anyone down.
Bullshit.
Men do not experience body policing in even remotely similar ways to women.
This is you, coming into a thread, belittling and shutting down conversation about men’s issues.
You claim you’re here to refute certain other posts but I don’t see any posts claiming what you say, and even if they do exist you absolutely failed to even acknowledge that men do have similar problems here.
Not “I understand, I just want to contextualize this”
Not “I sympathize, because this is how women feel”
Just “fuck your problems, women have it worse”
So yeah, you have the right to say bullshit, and I have the right to call you out on it.
You’ve been aggressive towards me from your first comment to me. I have only ever responded to you fairly and bluntly. To say that I’m coming here and saying “f*** your problems” is rich given all the rest of the things you’ve said to me. I have never once denied that men have problems, I have stated several times my belief that body positivity and better representation for diverse body types in media would go a long way to helping men and boys with body issues. You haven’t even mentioned one thing you think could help men and boys with body issues.
Acknowledging the reality of misogyny does not diminish the suffering of any individual man. Trying to equate them is wrong however, and its misinformation about the nature of misogyny. All women I know have suffered from misogyny. It makes me very uncomfortable seeing misinformation be spread about women, and I’m not going to stay silent when I see it.
Acknowledging the reality of misogyny does not diminish the suffering of any individual man.
Theoretically yeah, but if you go to every single place where any men talk about any issues they have and start “acknowledging” all over the place it drowns out the original male problems. Especially if you don’t even preface your comment with an acknowledgement of the issues men face, of the “lived experience” of men, to borrow a feminist term. You just go straight into “fuck everything y’all are saying, let’s talk about women”.
It’s endemic in the greater social discussion, that’s why I’m being so aggressive with pushing back against you. Men don’t even have safe spaces to talk about this stuff because they get taken over by alt right misogynists. And whenever we’re in a neutral space you people show up like moths to a light. The effect is to silence us.
I have stated several times my belief that body positivity and better representation for diverse body types in media would go a long way to helping men and boys with body issues
Yeah, as a fucking qualifier. As a footnote. It does not sound sincere, and even if it is it’s a severe afterthought. And it’s still drowned out by the bulk of your message: How Bad Women Have It.
I’m going to respond in short terms because we’re reiterating a lot.
I did not start the discussion surrounding women’s experiences here, other commenters were already talking about it when I first viewed the thread.
I sincerely believe body positivity and better representation in media will be greatly beneficial to body image for men and boys. That goes along with greater tolerance of femininity in men, combating social stigma against men, and addressing power structures like heteronormativity and racism that affect queer men and black men. You have never responded to my proposed solutions, when I am responding to you I have been responding to what you say.
I was responding to misinformation. I have no obligation to counter these narratives with “i know your lives are hard too but can you stop spreading misinformation about women”. I came to this thread, I saw misinformation, I replied to that misinformation. That’s all.
This space is equally for me as it is for you. This is not a men’s space. I am imposing on nobody by being here and commenting.
